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Originally posted by Snaxo View PostThat's why I said Law (legislation) and not EU regulations (because it's the only Stat you can be sure is accurate due to the issues with regulations (and whether in practice they affect you or not). Yes EU regulations apply without UK parliamentary approval but the number that ACTUALLY affect is difficult to calculate and it's probably not 60%. In addition, many of those regulations are welcomed. I'm sure many are not, however.
I don't care if it's 13% or 60% one law is one to many.
Anyway we don't have to worry about all this now as we're thankfully leaving 😄
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostWouldn't you rather politicians we elected and whom are accountable to us to be the only people with legislative poweres in this country?
I don't care if it's 13% or 60% one law is one to many.
Anyway we don't have to worry about all this now as we're thankfully leaving
If we reach an agreement to stay in the single market we will continue to have to accept a lot of EU regulation as do others not in the EU proper.
Immigration numbers will not be impacted greatly either which is something both sides seem to accept.
As for being governed by those we elected I wouldn't trust those any more than the EU. Bunch of mongrels the lot of them. At least 'call me Dave' is going and Gove has shot himself in foot and Boris ruled himself out. If Farage really does crawl back to wherever he came from not a bad outcome really.
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostWouldn't you rather politicians we elected and whom are accountable to us to be the only people with legislative poweres in this country?
I don't care if it's 13% or 60% one law is one to many.
Anyway we don't have to worry about all this now as we're thankfully leaving
BTW the previous link illustrates the process for decision making in the EU. The Commission does not make the policy - it puts it forward and the ELECTED members of the EU Parliament vote to go ahead with it - or to block it. As I said, originally.
Also I agree with FurtiveFox. When we leave, it's going to be very soft.
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Originally posted by Snaxo View PostI'm not sure to be honest. Would I like far right UK politicians to have absolute control of our country (the like of Michael Gove FFS -not that I think he'll win the leadership) - actually, no I probably wouldn't to be honest. As FurtiveFox suggests - careful what you wish for basically. It's hard to imagine giving sole power to anyone worse than those currently lining up for it !
BTW the previous link illustrates the process for decision making in the EU. The Commission does not make the policy - it puts it forward and the ELECTED members of the EU Parliament vote to go ahead with it - or to block it. As I said, originally.
Also I agree with FurtiveFox. When we leave, it's going to be very soft.
Also you better pray Andrea Leadsom doesn't win the Tory leadership race as the soft brexit you want will start to stiffen pretty quickly
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Originally posted by FurtiveFox View PostParticularly with the collapse of the Leave leadership I suspect it will be a very 'soft Brexit.' Enough to pacify those who voted leave but no more.
If we reach an agreement to stay in the single market we will continue to have to accept a lot of EU regulation as do others not in the EU proper.
Immigration numbers will not be impacted greatly either which is something both sides seem to accept.
As for being governed by those we elected I wouldn't trust those any more than the EU. Bunch of mongrels the lot of them. At least 'call me Dave' is going and Gove has shot himself in foot and Boris ruled himself out. If Farage really does crawl back to wherever he came from not a bad outcome really.
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostSorry, I stopped reading after you described Gove as far right, ridiculous statement.
Also you better pray Andrea Leadsom doesn't win the Tory leadership race as the soft brexit you want will start to stiffen pretty quickly
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Originally posted by Snaxo View PostRidiculous statement....why ? Ok well he may not be quite as far to the right as old Boris, but he's certainly a lot more than many.
Neither Gove or Borris are far-right and it's silly to say they areLast edited by gaza09; 05-07-2016, 07:00 PM.
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostSorry, I stopped reading after you described Gove as far right, ridiculous statement.
Also you better pray Andrea Leadsom doesn't win the Tory leadership race as the soft brexit you want will start to stiffen pretty quickly
Last edited by Hubble; 05-07-2016, 07:00 PM.
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Originally posted by Hubble View PostGood old Ken Clarke thinks Gove is far right. 'Wild' is how he describes him. This is brilliant, just out:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7120736.html
Very insightful in to the thinking of europhile Ken Clarke, he really doesn't like Gove.
Still wouldn't class Gove as far-right
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Can't have a soft exit. Would not only be a total betrayal of the majority that wanted out, but a complete dereliction of duty.
It looks like Theresa May will be the next PM and my prediction is that she will be one of the shortest serving in history if she turns out to be as weak as the last one and fails to deliver what we need, want and deserve.
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostYou do understand what far-right means?
Neither Gove or Borris are far-right and it's silly to say they are
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Originally posted by brightonr View PostCan't have a soft exit. Would not only be a total betrayal of the majority that wanted out, but a complete dereliction of duty.
It looks like Theresa May will be the next PM and my prediction is that she will be one of the shortest serving in history if she turns out to be as weak as the last one and fails to deliver what we need, want and deserve.
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