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Last edited by Kevin Mcleod; 25-06-2016, 02:51 PM.
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostObviously your canvassing didn't work. From your posts I can see why because you are becoming more and more offensive.
Worton - Quite clearly there are ignorant racists out there, just as there are those who tried to use the murder of an MP to add weight to their argument. Not sure which is worse to be honest.
With regard to the immigration point only, let me say this. This country needs immigration. But I really can't think of a much more backward and discriminatory attitude than to give preference to a French man over an Indian, a German over a Japanese, a Pole over a Norwegian, simply because they happen to be from a relatively recently formed political zone, which was never voted for by the population of this country and is ever increasing in size.
By all means point out what I'm missing. And perhaps you could enlighten me as to how we ever got roped in to paying child benefits to those who work here when their children are still living in their homeland. I'm sure we could all think of many other questions that don't have obvious answers.
The British people have spoken. And to my surprise and delight, they have thought for themselves rather than listen to the scaremongering and threats from our PM, his Chancellor, the Leader of the Opposition, leaders of minority parties such as the LibDems and Greens, the IMF, the Bank of England, the leaders of other EU nations and even the President of the United States. Despite all the attempts to persuade them to do as they are told, they still managed a majority, which is even more remarkable under the circumstances.
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Originally posted by Snaxo View PostYes I know mate...I'm just saying that it 'aint gonna actually change much. So if people voted for that reason, they're not going to get what they thought they might. That's my point, I guess - that's allLast edited by jmelanie; 25-06-2016, 03:41 PM.
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostA lot of people didn't vote LEAVE because of immigration. However their numbers are not the problem. Before we left the EU (except Rumania and Bulgaria) could come to the U.K. to look for work even if they have no particular skill. With controlled immigration, only people with specific skills will be allowed to come to work in the United Kingdom. Last week the nurse who looked after me in the cancer unit at the hospital was from California. It took her 3 years to get a work permit for the United Kingdom. Prior to coming to the U.K. she had worked in a specialist cancer unit in California for six years. The paperwork she had to complete was enormous, on several times the authorities lost it and finally they made her take an English test. There is a shortage of nurses with specialties and during my treatment I do not recall being treated by anybody from an EU country. People with these specialties should be given preferential treatment and not have to wait years to come and work here.
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I really think some people in this country have gone mad. I assume you have seen the petition for another referendum which says:
“We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.”
I don't know that anybody has really read this but it means that we would be having perpetual referenda. To get 60% and a turnout of more than 75% is never going to happen, so if agreed we would go from one referendum to another. I think most of us have had enough of referendum for the foreseeable future.
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Obviously the leave voters were not all racist and a lot made their decisions for the right reasons. However, there is no doubt that some in the leave campaign put blame at certain countries/races. There is no doubt that racism drove some of the vote to leave.
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Originally posted by lymehoop View Postit was the working class who got this over the line, because it was the down trodden working class that had to put up with all the downsides the EU brought
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Originally posted by James1979 View PostWhich to me shows that remain campaign could have done more. What will Sunderland working class do when Nissan decide to move their factory elsewhere? It will not be immediate but I understand this will happen due to Brexit over the next years.
Like those of us who wanted out have said all along, there are always alternatives to the doom and gloom scenarios painted by those too scared to leave. It's the decisions we make from now on that will determine our futures, not just the big one from Thursday. And those decisions are now in our own hands.
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Originally posted by brightonr View PostOn the flip side James, a new chancellor could easily cut rates of corporation tax, making the UK a far more attractive place to operate one's business than mainland Europe. This could see an influx of inward investment, the creation of jobs rather than losses and no need for those who said they may leave the UK to do so.
Like those of us who wanted out have said all along, there are always alternatives to the doom and gloom scenarios painted by those too scared to leave. It's the decisions we make from now on that will determine our futures, not just the big one from Thursday. And those decisions are now in our own hands.
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Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod View PostThe best thing about Brexit is the remainions are so so so angry. Am enjoying their outbursts and public crying so much on Facebook and Twitter .
It's old age white rascists who did this to us etc etc ha ha.
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Just one example from my time line.
A man called Sayed just drove me home. He told me he voted remain. He has a PhD in economics. His children are graduating this year. He's lived here since 1992, he was born in Pakistan. He told me he's never claimed any benefits, despite what people say about workers from overseas. He's worried for his future and for his children's future. What made me really sad was when he said, at the end of the journey:
"Sorry if I've said anything wrong"
He'd merely described his life up to this point and told me how worried he was about the rise of racism in the UK.
All I could do was apologise for my country and said that while half of people voted with fear and ignorance, the other half have voted with love and support for all of our citizens, wherever they're from.
Thanks brexiteers. Thanks for turning on your fellow humans and making all of our futures that little bit more uncertain.
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Originally posted by James1979 View PostWell whatever gives you kicks. Personally I went out and enjoyed the weekend today!
Glad you had a good day though mate.,
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