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Originally posted by wortonranger View PostYou are correct. Them and older affluent Tories who wanted to give their leader a kick. One of the few good things that has come from this debacle as far as I am concerned is a realisation that the first group exist at all ( and vote ). Whilst out canvassing for in I encountered astonishing ignorance and hatred. Hopefully I understand that better, even though open racism is so offensive. The more the debate went on, the less they understood, so they returned to what their heart and upbringing told them. Ie blame the foreigners. For me this country has become a much more scary place. We desperately need a new form of politics.
I voted out myself however I dont align myself with the views of Britian First and other far right groups who have a side I'm really not a fan of.
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Originally posted by Stanley View PostJohnny, honestly this result has gone a long way to restoring my faith in democracy. I seriously am still in shock over this. I'm feeling a lot more positive and less cynical than before, and hope it lasts.
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Originally posted by Johnnykc View PostMight have to explain that one to me Stanley......when you thought you would lose the vote we didn't have a true democracy yet when you get what you wanted......democracy is a wonderful thing.
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This is the reason I voted out and it has nothing to do with immigration
Brexit Marks the Beginning of the End for the European Union
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Originally posted by wortonranger View PostYou are correct. Them and older affluent Tories who wanted to give their leader a kick. One of the few good things that has come from this debacle as far as I am concerned is a realisation that the first group exist at all ( and vote ). Whilst out canvassing for in I encountered astonishing ignorance and hatred. Hopefully I understand that better, even though open racism is so offensive. The more the debate went on, the less they understood, so they returned to what their heart and upbringing told them. Ie blame the foreigners. For me this country has become a much more scary place. We desperately need a new form of politics.
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Originally posted by wortonranger View PostYou are correct. Them and older affluent Tories who wanted to give their leader a kick. One of the few good things that has come from this debacle as far as I am concerned is a realisation that the first group exist at all ( and vote ). Whilst out canvassing for in I encountered astonishing ignorance and hatred. Hopefully I understand that better, even though open racism is so offensive. The more the debate went on, the less they understood, so they returned to what their heart and upbringing told them. Ie blame the foreigners. For me this country has become a much more scary place. We desperately need a new form of politics.
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Originally posted by wortonranger View PostYou are correct. Them and older affluent Tories who wanted to give their leader a kick. One of the few good things that has come from this debacle as far as I am concerned is a realisation that the first group exist at all ( and vote ). Whilst out canvassing for in I encountered astonishing ignorance and hatred. Hopefully I understand that better, even though open racism is so offensive. The more the debate went on, the less they understood, so they returned to what their heart and upbringing told them. Ie blame the foreigners. For me this country has become a much more scary place. We desperately need a new form of politics.I have supported Rangers for 55 seasons, since March 1969.
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Interesting comments on Immigration.
As I mentioned earlier - Immigration was never an issue - just a read herring. I think Pinkie posted that I was talking rubbish. Sorry fella, I wasn't.
Non-EU immigration already exceeded EU immigration. The Gov had full control of non-EU immigration but (like previous Governments) chose not to control it - for a very simple reason - it's needed, and they know it.
When people complain that Immigrants are taking our jobs (completely untrue in most cases - we have the lowest unemployment for 10 years), and flooding our service (schools, housing market, NHS) - the answer is not to send the immigrants back, it is most of the time that more investment is needed in these areas. This is down to our own Gov.
The above comments back this up, effectively - there is actually no real intention at all to reduce immigration - only 'control it'. So if you did vote leave on that basis.. ;-)
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Originally posted by cross it Dave View PostSnaxo, the fat lady has sung, the United Kingdom has voted out.
And immigration was a significant reason why the majority voted out.
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