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ok, so i disagree with you opinion, i therefor must be wrong
Why is almost every comment in this thread about border control? are you that naive to think leaving the EU is all about border control?
Seems to me the general thesis in this thread is "i dont care if the country falls to sh!t, as long as we stop letting eastern Europeans in"
and no the argument isnt about "the ability to decide who we allow access to it", its about leaving the EU and the negative/positive effect it will have on our economy.
I dont like the comments about the polish coming and taking our jobs. Find this demeaning and generally from what i have found in life, those who make such moans, tend to be those who dont want to get off there a$$ and go find work. I put these sort of slanders into the same category as people saying "Muslims are terrorists". Most of the time most probably not meant in a racist way, but comes from simple minded folk non the less.
as for the USA / Australia point, they are far bigger economies who are able to thrive on their own. We are not the power they are.
Not for one second saying, vote in or you are wrong, but more that i feel the majority of people dont really know the consequences and the fall out of what they are actually being asked to vote for, they are being blinded by this "border control" issue.
no personal dig at you at all Gaza, most probably a dig at the political parties involved who seem to find it hard to explain the real effects of this.
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Originally posted by Ramsey is god View Postok, so i disagree with you opinion, i therefor must be wrong
Why is almost every comment in this thread about border control? are you that naive to think leaving the EU is all about border control?
Seems to me the general thesis in this thread is "i dont care if the country falls to sh!t, as long as we stop letting eastern Europeans in"
and no the argument isnt about "the ability to decide who we allow access to it", its about leaving the EU and the negative/positive effect it will have on our economy.
I dont like the comments about the polish coming and taking our jobs. Find this demeaning and generally from what i have found in life, those who make such moans, tend to be those who dont want to get off there a$$ and go find work. I put these sort of slanders into the same category as people saying "Muslims are terrorists". Most of the time most probably not meant in a racist way, but comes from simple minded folk non the less.
as for the USA / Australia point, they are far bigger economies who are able to thrive on their own. We are not the power they are.
Not for one second saying, vote in or you are wrong, but more that i feel the majority of people dont really know the consequences and the fall out of what they are actually being asked to vote for, they are being blinded by this "border control" issue.
no personal dig at you at all Gaza, most probably a dig at the political parties involved who seem to find it hard to explain the real effects of this.
We don't know how it will effect businesses in this country but i'd imagine it won't have much of an effect.
The fact we do know we will save 350m and soon to be 400m has to swing it for me. That money can be used to help/aid people living and contributing to this country.I played sunday league football today.
Clearly I was the best player on the pitch.
I scored 5 and made 7 last ditch tackles.
We lost 5-0 but the rest of my team were sh it!
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Originally posted by Ramsey is god View Postok, so i disagree with you opinion, i therefor must be wrong
Why is almost every comment in this thread about border control? are you that naive to think leaving the EU is all about border control?
Seems to me the general thesis in this thread is "i dont care if the country falls to sh!t, as long as we stop letting eastern Europeans in"
and no the argument isnt about "the ability to decide who we allow access to it", its about leaving the EU and the negative/positive effect it will have on our economy.
I dont like the comments about the polish coming and taking our jobs. Find this demeaning and generally from what i have found in life, those who make such moans, tend to be those who dont want to get off there a$$ and go find work. I put these sort of slanders into the same category as people saying "Muslims are terrorists". Most of the time most probably not meant in a racist way, but comes from simple minded folk non the less.
as for the USA / Australia point, they are far bigger economies who are able to thrive on their own. We are not the power they are.
Not for one second saying, vote in or you are wrong, but more that i feel the majority of people dont really know the consequences and the fall out of what they are actually being asked to vote for, they are being blinded by this "border control" issue.
no personal dig at you at all Gaza, most probably a dig at the political parties involved who seem to find it hard to explain the real effects of this.
As for not being able to thrive on our own, we are the 5th largest economy in the world, far larger then Australia.
The reason most people are discussing immigration and boarder controls is that it is the most visual effect of our EU membership.
We could argue about econmics, but the truth is no one actually knows what will happen either way. If we leave we could struggle to trade the pound could fall inflation could rise etc.. But we could also prosper without the burden of all the EU regulations companies have to follow (even if they don't trade with the EU)
If we vote to stay we will be staying in the worlds only declining trading block. We will be shacking ourselves to a single market in which our share of trade is in decline, we now trade more with the rest of the world then we do the EU.
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For all you younger generation who won't know what it is like to be out of europe,trust me,it was better ,MUCH,MUCH BETTER ,just bring back control to us,they need us more than we need them,we will never be a little boy lost standing on the sidelines,but we can decide on whats best for Britain not some faceless,non elected Brussels Burocrat !!
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostWhereas I disagree with your opinion, therefore must be a racist?
As for not being able to thrive on our own, we are the 5th largest economy in the world, far larger then Australia.
The reason most people are discussing immigration and boarder controls is that it is the most visual effect of our EU membership.
We could argue about econmics, but the truth is no one actually knows what will happen either way. If we leave we could struggle to trade the pound could fall inflation could rise etc.. But we could also prosper without the burden of all the EU regulations companies have to follow (even if they don't trade with the EU)
If we vote to stay we will be staying in the worlds only declining trading block. We will be shacking ourselves to a single market in which our share of trade is in decline, we now trade more with the rest of the world then we do the EU.
5th Largest economy....currently....will change if we leave.
said it yourself for me....huge gamble to take and if it fails the repercussions will take centuries to rectify.
Why do people think the borders will be more controlled but by the same logic state you dont know how it would effect our economy.....dont know anything untill it actually happens, but far more information that indicates our economy will suffer than prosper.
no more on this thread for me, started out a good debate, soon turned the usual way.
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Originally posted by Ramsey is god View Postok, so i disagree with you opinion, i therefor must be wrong
Why is almost every comment in this thread about border control? are you that naive to think leaving the EU is all about border control?
Seems to me the general thesis in this thread is "i dont care if the country falls to sh!t, as long as we stop letting eastern Europeans in"
and no the argument isnt about "the ability to decide who we allow access to it", its about leaving the EU and the negative/positive effect it will have on our economy.
I dont like the comments about the polish coming and taking our jobs. Find this demeaning and generally from what i have found in life, those who make such moans, tend to be those who dont want to get off there a$$ and go find work. I put these sort of slanders into the same category as people saying "Muslims are terrorists". Most of the time most probably not meant in a racist way, but comes from simple minded folk non the less.
as for the USA / Australia point, they are far bigger economies who are able to thrive on their own. We are not the power they are.
Not for one second saying, vote in or you are wrong, but more that i feel the majority of people dont really know the consequences and the fall out of what they are actually being asked to vote for, they are being blinded by this "border control" issue.
no personal dig at you at all Gaza, most probably a dig at the political parties involved who seem to find it hard to explain the real effects of this.
The Polish, along with many other people of Eastern European origin do take jobs which could be filled by people who are born here, that's a fact.
You then accuse people who say such things of slander, yet in the same sentence accuse the same people of being too lazy to get off their ar$es to look for a job. Laughable.“He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
Will Danaher
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Originally posted by Ramsey is god View PostNot called you a racist once on here.
5th Largest economy....currently....will change if we leave.
said it yourself for me....huge gamble to take and if it fails the repercussions will take centuries to rectify.
Why do people think the borders will be more controlled but by the same logic state you dont know how it would effect our economy.....dont know anything untill it actually happens, but far more information that indicates our economy will suffer than prosper.
no more on this thread for me, started out a good debate, soon turned the usual way.
Since I prefer to take a risk where the power to mitigate it is in my hands rather then in those of people who do not necessarily have mine or Britains best interests at heart, I will be voting to leave.
It was a good debate before you started to call people names for daring to hold a different point of view from you.
I don't think I or anyone else was disrespectful towards you before that.
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostThere is a risk to leaving the EU and a risk to staying in it.
Since I prefer to take a risk where the power to mitigate it is in my hands rather then in those of people who do not necessarily have mine or Britains best interests at heart, I will be voting to leave.
It was a good debate before you started to call people names for daring to hold a different point of view from you.
I don't think I or anyone else was disrespectful towards you before that.
justified my casual racism comment which is perfectly true.
"you are wrong" as i had a different opinion to yours.
quite hypocritical post from you really.
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Originally posted by Ramsey is god View Post"left wing nut jobs" and similar. who have i called names?
justified my casual racism comment which is perfectly true.
"you are wrong" as i had a different opinion to yours.
quite hypocritical post from you really.
And you implied in your post that anyone concerned with immigration and boarder controls were racist, it was only after that other posters called a "left wing nut job"
I suggest you read this thread back
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Originally posted by gaza09 View PostBut you were wrong on the fact we can't stop people from entering this country who have criminal convictions.
And you implied in your post that anyone concerned with immigration and boarder controls were racist, it was only after that other posters called a "left wing nut job"
I suggest you read this thread back
nope, never implied that at all....please read post back as i have justified racist comment....
I said, we will never be a country who stops people entering who have criminal convictions (unless serious/terrorist) like US, Aus. not our way EU or no EU.
have a re-read.
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