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Originally posted by scuberry View Postsaw this in the papers this morning:
1. NORWAY
Non-EU Norway is the most prosperous country in the world for the SEVENTH year running.
2. SWITZERLAND
Switzerland came in second place for the third year in a row,thanks to a strong economy and great governance.
3. DENMARK
Danes boast good governance and exemplary education,although they're let down by a poor health score.
4. NEW ZEALAND
The most prosperous non-European nation,New Zealand performed so well thanks to its impressive social cohesion.
Not Spin but FACT !!
Why Do we need the EU and all its red tape ? Wake up and smell the coffee and stop believing all the EU hype,there is life without the "Club"
Denmark is in the EU!
New Zealand - Britain's GDP is higher.
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostBut like us Denmark is not in the Euro. My concern is that if we vote to stay in, we will be forced to join the Euro.
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Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View PostWhen you say we live in a global economy and goods can be had elsewhere more cheaply, the child labour sweat shops of India spring to mind.
As for the point about wave upon wave of immigrants driving up the previous wave of immigrants, I wouldn't shout that out too loudly, some people might see that as an own goal by someone whose trying to sell the remain idea.
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Originally posted by Jeems View PostWhat will happen the day we quit Europe? No one knows and no one can tell us, which is the main reason we will end up staying in. Read a great analogy about this - its the equiv of being in a club and thinking its terrible and telling everyone to leave. Everyone leaves, then realises there is no where else to go and the club wont let us back in.
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Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View PostAs for the causes of the Great Depression, good luck with that one.
We could all go on and on about what will/might happen if we leave but of course, as we pretty much all agree, nobody really knows. Jmelanie hit the nail on the head by saying it will come down to personalities. Who we believe most. Even then, to a degree, it's a leap into the unknown. But personally I don't believe it's a leap into an abyss.
There will almost certainly be some short term teething issues but plenty of people far more knowledgable on the subject than you or I think it'll be worth it.
What is certainly worth bearing in mind is a vote to stay in the EU isn't necessarily a vote to keep the status quo. That too has its unknowns.It's evolving all the time and there are plenty within it who want it to evolve even more, far more than, as a nation, we want it to. It could quite easily unravel in the coming years. If that happens there will be plenty of other countries from within it scrambling to find trade deals with the other markets around the world. Why wait till then ? Let's take the bull by the horns and act now.
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Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View PostWe have a veto. More anti-EU scaremongering. You might as well say you fear the EU will take away our children and rape our women...
This is not scaremongering. If we vote to stay in the EU things will continue to change and as far as I know we (the population) will have little say in these changes. For example if the government of the day decides for whatever reason to further enlarge the EU, then we will have no say in this decision. The present ambition of the EU is a federal Europe (I don't believe this has changed). In order for this to happen a common currency for all members will be necessary. I do not recall us ever saying we would not join the Euro. I believe the reason for not joining was because Gordon Brown said that we did not fulfill the necessary requirements. When we did not join we were told our economy would suffer, banks would leave the U.K. (in fact more banks came to the capital), and it would in general a bad thing for the U.K. Sound familiar?Last edited by jmelanie; 31-05-2016, 06:06 PM.
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Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View PostHang on there mate, you say people way more knowledgeable than you or I know it will be worth it. The experts from just about every respected international organisation says we would be crazy to leave, and the vast majority of UK economist!“He'll regret it till his dying day, if ever he lives that long”
Will Danaher
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Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View PostNorway is not in the EU but is part of the single market. In return for this privilege they have to pay more into it than we do, and have to abide by every bit of red tape without having any say in the drawing up of those rules. Shania confirmed on here the other day Norwegians don't think they have a great deal.
Denmark is in the EU!
New Zealand - Britain's GDP is higher.
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostEverybody keeps saying we can use our veto. This is possibly on some occasions. However this rarely happens. If Britain does use their veto then they usually change whatever agreement is being discussed so the veto is no longer relevant. I think Britain has only used the veto on a handful of times.
This is not scaremongering. If we vote to stay in the EU things will continue to change and as far as I know we (the population) will have little say in these changes. For example if the government of the day decides for whatever reason to further enlarge the EU, then we will have no say in this decision. The present ambition of the EU is a federal Europe (I don't believe this has changed). In order for this to happen a common currency for all members will be necessary. I do not recall us ever saying we would not join the Euro. I believe the reason for not joining was because Gordon Brown said that we did not fulfill the necessary requirements. When we did not join we were told our economy would suffer, banks would leave the U.K. (in fact more banks came to the capital), and it would in general a bad thing for the U.K. Sound familiar?
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostEverybody keeps saying we can use our veto. This is possibly on some occasions. However this rarely happens. If Britain does use their veto then they usually change whatever agreement is being discussed so the veto is no longer relevant. I think Britain has only used the veto on a handful of times.
This is not scaremongering. If we vote to stay in the EU things will continue to change and as far as I know we (the population) will have little say in these changes. For example if the government of the day decides for whatever reason to further enlarge the EU, then we will have no say in this decision. The present ambition of the EU is a federal Europe (I don't believe this has changed). In order for this to happen a common currency for all members will be necessary. I do not recall us ever saying we would not join the Euro. I believe the reason for not joining was because Gordon Brown said that we did not fulfill the necessary requirements. When we did not join we were told our economy would suffer, banks would leave the U.K. (in fact more banks came to the capital), and it would in general a bad thing for the U.K. Sound familiar?
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Originally posted by Itsonlyagame View PostI said plenty of people think it will be worth it, I didn't say they know it will. Nobody does, including the economists.
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From the Daily Telegraph, not exactly a Euro-fanatical paper:
La Tribune reports that one camp in Paris is pushing for a harsh line to punish Britain – even to the point of denying the UK a Norwegian-style package in the European Economic Area, should it opt for that course – in order to ensure that Brexit fails so spectacularly that no other country dares to follow suit.
So much uncertainty. Maybe your job is really secure and you are really rich, but I hope you care about those who are maybe not so secure...
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Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View PostFrom the Daily Telegraph, not exactly a Euro-fanatical paper:
La Tribune reports that one camp in Paris is pushing for a harsh line to punish Britain – even to the point of denying the UK a Norwegian-style package in the European Economic Area, should it opt for that course – in order to ensure that Brexit fails so spectacularly that no other country dares to follow suit.
So much uncertainty. Maybe your job is really secure and you are really rich, but I hope you care about those who are maybe not so secure...I must away now, I can no longer tarry
This morning's tempest I have to cross
I must be guided without a stumble
Into the arms I love the most
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