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My reasons for wanting to leave the EU are purely personal and sentimental. My parents spent nearly 6 years of their lives fighting for the U.K. to remain a free country (my father was bombed out of Coventry). In the first referendum they actually voted for the common market believing it would simply be a trade agreement (I believe many of us did the same). Then they watched as various governments changed the rules so that gradually it became closer and closer to a Federal Europe with major decisions being taken out of our hands. They were very upset that they had no say in these decisions. It is now too late for them to be have any influence. So I will be voting no (as will most of my family) in their honour.
I was actually hoping to be able to make a decision for myself based on discussions during the campaign, but unfortunately this hasn't happened.
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Originally posted by jmelanie View PostMy reasons for wanting to leave the EU are purely personal and sentimental. My parents spent nearly 6 years of their lives fighting for the U.K. to remain a free country (my father was bombed out of Coventry). In the first referendum they actually voted for the common market believing it would simply be a trade agreement (I believe many of us did the same). Then they watched as various governments changed the rules so that gradually it became closer and closer to a Federal Europe with major decisions being taken out of our hands. They were very upset that they had no say in these decisions. It is now too late for them to be have any influence. So I will be voting no (as will most of my family) in their honour.
I was actually hoping to be able to make a decision for myself based on discussions during the campaign, but unfortunately this hasn't happened.I must away now, I can no longer tarry
This morning's tempest I have to cross
I must be guided without a stumble
Into the arms I love the most
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Originally posted by Stanley View Post21 YEARS now since the EU last signed off their accounts: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-spending.html
Yet another EU myth - up there with Boris and his bendy bananas...
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Originally posted by stainrodisalegend View Post(except perhaps Nigel Farage when he pops over once a week to collect his hefty EU salary and massive expenses).
Yet another EU myth - up there with Boris and his bendy bananas...
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Originally posted by Brian Wilson View PostVoting across QPR forums at the moment
WATRB
53 - OUT
29 - IN
Not606
41 - OUT
49 - IN
LFW
47.8% - OUT
46.3% - IN
QPRDOT.ORG
19 - OUT
27 - INOriginally posted by lymehoop View Postwhat does that say about each messageboard. Are we the most working class where the EU has affected us more?
Money and greed is all I'm hearing from the Remainians, if money is all that matters to them, then I can safely say my moral compass is pointing in the right direction... OUT!
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Originally posted by Jimmy Floyd Rabbit View PostYea because only Nigel Farage collects a hefty EU salary and expenses
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It's full steam ahead dirty tricks like the Scottish referendum. Cameron has been booked to do an ITV debate with only Farage where he's hoping he can show him up as a racist, and destroy the OUT campaign as the public will associate all 'outers' with Farage's views.
I hope he's wised up to it because he's well capable of giving Cameron a bloody nose. But Cameron's ducking a debate with anyone else - a scheming coward.
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Originally posted by Greengrass View PostIt's full steam ahead dirty tricks like the Scottish referendum. Cameron has been booked to do an ITV debate with only Farage where he's hoping he can show him up as a racist, and destroy the OUT campaign as the public will associate all 'outers' with Farage's views.
I hope he's wised up to it because he's well capable of giving Cameron a bloody nose. But Cameron's ducking a debate with anyone else - a scheming coward.
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Yet another example of the insanity we're up against folks:
EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration
Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration.
EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.
Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.
Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity...
“The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true.
“If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.”
Full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hydration.html
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Originally posted by Stanley View PostYet another example of the insanity we're up against folks:
EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration
Brussels bureaucrats were ridiculed yesterday after banning drink manufacturers from claiming that water can prevent dehydration.
EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.
Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.
Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity...
“The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true.
“If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hydration.htmlTop Scorers 2018/2019
Nakhi Wells - 8
Pawel Wszolek - 6
Luke Freeman - 6
Matt Smith - 6
Ebere Eze - 4
Joel Lynch - 3
Tomer Hemed - 3
Toni Leistner - 2
Massimo Luongo- 2
Angel Rangel - 2
Bright Osayi-Samuel - 2
Geoff Cameron - 1
Aramide Oteh - 1
Jake Bidwell - 1
Jordan Cousins - 1
Summer Transfers 2019
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Originally posted by Ginger Ninja View PostThat is probably the single most ridiculous thing I've read in a long, long time. I want to think that the tabloids made this up and that, surely, for god's sake surely nobody is thick enough to actually pass a law like this...but I just don't know.
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Originally posted by Stanley View PostThe Telegraph aint no tabloid Ginge.Top Scorers 2018/2019
Nakhi Wells - 8
Pawel Wszolek - 6
Luke Freeman - 6
Matt Smith - 6
Ebere Eze - 4
Joel Lynch - 3
Tomer Hemed - 3
Toni Leistner - 2
Massimo Luongo- 2
Angel Rangel - 2
Bright Osayi-Samuel - 2
Geoff Cameron - 1
Aramide Oteh - 1
Jake Bidwell - 1
Jordan Cousins - 1
Summer Transfers 2019
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Originally posted by Ginger Ninja View PostThe media then, they all make stuff up sometimes, and I refuse to believe otherwise lol.
NHS health guidelines state clearly that drinking water helps avoid dehydration, and that Britons should drink at least 1.2 litres per day.
The Department for Health disputed the wisdom of the new law. A spokesman said: “Of course water hydrates. While we support the EU in preventing false claims about products, we need to exercise common sense as far as possible."
German professors Dr Andreas Hahn and Dr Moritz Hagenmeyer, who advise food manufacturers on how to advertise their products, asked the European Commission if the claim could be made on labels.
They compiled what they assumed was an uncontroversial statement in order to test new laws which allow products to claim they can reduce the risk of disease, subject to EU approval.
They applied for the right to state that “regular consumption of significant amounts of water can reduce the risk of development of dehydration” as well as preventing a decrease in performance.
However, last February, the European Food Standards Authority (EFSA) refused to approve the statement.
A meeting of 21 scientists in Parma, Italy, concluded that reduced water content in the body was a symptom of dehydration and not something that drinking water could subsequently control.
Now the EFSA verdict has been turned into an EU directive which was issued on Wednesday.
Ukip MEP Paul Nuttall said the ruling made the “bendy banana law” look “positively sane”.
He said: “I had to read this four or five times before I believed it. It is a perfect example of what Brussels does best. Spend three years, with 20 separate pieces of correspondence before summoning 21 professors to Parma where they decide with great solemnity that drinking water cannot be sold as a way to combat dehydration.
“Then they make this judgment law and make it clear that if anybody dares sell water claiming that it is effective against dehydration they could get into serious legal bother.
EU regulations, which aim to uphold food standards across member states, are frequently criticised.
Rules banning bent bananas and curved cucumbers were scrapped in 2008 after causing international ridicule.
Prof Hahn, from the Institute for Food Science and Human Nutrition at Hanover Leibniz University, said the European Commission had made another mistake with its latest ruling.
“What is our reaction to the outcome? Let us put it this way: We are neither surprised nor delighted.
“The European Commission is wrong; it should have authorised the claim. That should be more than clear to anyone who has consumed water in the past, and who has not? We fear there is something wrong in the state of Europe.”
Prof Brian Ratcliffe, spokesman for the Nutrition Society, said dehydration was usually caused by a clinical condition and that one could remain adequately hydrated without drinking water.
He said: “The EU is saying that this does not reduce the risk of dehydration and that is correct. This claim is trying to imply that there is something special about bottled water which is not a reasonable claim."
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