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    QPR, on paper, should not be bottom IMHO. Teams like Swansea have over taken us and look light years ahead of us now. Yet, teams like Norwich, Southampton and other pretty weak teams have done so much better than us....yet we are the ones spending money. So why has it all gone wrong?

    Lot's of people are looking for the silver bullet - many blame MH. Some will blame Harry, some will blame the transfers, lots will blame the players, but we can't seem to agree on which players are at fault. Some even blame the owners. So, I think that we have to look at what is different at QPR to all the rest of the teams and this is what I see.

    1. No continuity. We have played more players in 2 Premier League seasons than most teams do in 5. I think we must have broken the record for number of players used anywhere in the world. This means no continuity, difficulty creating and maintaining a team ethic and almost certainly different cliques in the dressing room.

    2. No stability. Managerial changes, captaincy changes, players in sulks, players not wanting to play, team selection changing drastically from week to week, formation changes, tactics all over the place.

    3. Trying to solve the problem by throwing players at it. We have brought in loads of players and many of them are on high wages, much higher than those at the club. This must cause some disharmony - especially when the only reason these players come is for money when we are bottom and play in the smallest ground - why else are they here?

    4. You are only as strong as your weakest links. Too many players have failed or not good enough. There is no point spending big on a French striker if we still rely on slow Championshiip players like Hill and Derry. Playing Mackie as lone striker - he hasn't got the quality. Samba may be a good signing, but he is not that fast, so pairng him with a very slow partner is suicide in the Premier League. So we have the wrong mix.

    5. Tactics - we have left it too late to try and win games now. Draws were ok for a few games to steady the ship, but wins and go down fighting is what we should have done (easy in hindsight).

    My summary is that although the owners have the best intentions and have really tried - the policy of buying our way out of trouble by buying "star players" on high wages and throwing more players at the problem has been our downfall. Maybe we should have invested in the spine of the team, not necessarily big stars, but better than what we had and go from there.

    I know we are not down yet, but we are very likely to go and we should not have gone.

    Just shows money doesn't buy suiccess if it is not used most wisely.

    PS - this is not a "negative" post. Just me offloading where I think it has gone wrong.
    Last edited by silvercue; 11-02-2013, 11:11 AM.
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  • #2
    Interesting observations -makes lots of sense. But its easy to be wise in hindsight. At each stage there have been loud voices calling for a change -fans are very impatient. When is it too late -or too soon? We are where we are and I'd love them to at least go downn fighting - do a saints on United and a saints on the saints! Surely they are both going to psychologically believe they've won before the start !Win those two back to back and the sun shines on us all -and not just our heroes holidaying in sunnier climes!

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    • #3
      I agree about hindsight worton, it is easier to look at what hasn't worked afterwards - but it hasn't worked, so we do have to analyse why because we have to learn from it. It is a shame we can't look at another club and learn from their mistakes, instead we have to look inwards.

      I am not saying that signing some of these players didn't seem to me to be a good thing at the time, as many of them did - I am not saying "I told you so" because I am not. I really didn't think this would happen. Hindsight or not, we have to ask the questions and all I can see that marks us as different is what I have said above.
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      • #4
        Well you only have to look at our transfer window, over £20m on players and we are no better! that was the problem we purchased all the wrong players for the wrong reasons.

        Also we have had too many mangers with different ideas signing 11 new players every year.

        I can honestly say we need to go right back to basics, install a new manager who is going to be here for 3 years min with a strategy in place with sensible purchases. We had one in NW but he got stabbed in the back.

        I would go for nigel adkins/ian holloway and start again.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by silvercue View Post
          QPR, on paper, should not be bottom IMHO. Teams like Swansea have over taken us and look light years ahead of us now. Yet, teams like Norwich, Southampton and other pretty weak teams have done so much better than us....yet we are the ones spending money. So why has it all gone wrong?

          Lot's of people are looking for the silver bullet - many blame MH. Some will blame Harry, some will blame the transfers, lots will blame the players, but we can't seem to agree on which players are at fault. Some even blame the owners. So, I think that we have to look at what is different at QPR to all the rest of the teams and this is what I see.

          1. No continuity. We have played more players in 2 Premier League seasons than most teams do in 5. I think we must have broken the record for number of players used anywhere in the world. This means no continuity, difficulty creating and maintaining a team ethic and almost certainly different cliques in the dressing room.

          2. No stability. Managerial changes, captaincy changes, players in sulks, players not wanting to play, team selection changing drastically from week to week, formation changes, tactics all over the place.

          3. Trying to solve the problem by throwing players at it. We have brought in loads of players and many of them are on high wages, much higher than those at the club. This must cause some disharmony - especially when the only reason these players come is for money when we are bottom and play in the smallest ground - why else are they here?

          4. You are only as strong as your weakest links. Too many players have failed or not good enough. There is no point spending big on a French striker if we still rely on slow Championshiip players like Hill and Derry. Playing Mackie as lone striker - he hasn't got the quality. Samba may be a good signing, but he is not that fast, so pairng him with a very slow partner is suicide in the Premier League. So we have the wrong mix.

          5. Tactics - we have left it too late to try and win games now. Draws were ok for a few games to steady the ship, but wins and go down fighting is what we should have done (easy in hindsight).

          My summary is that although the owners have the best intentions and have really tried - the policy of buying our way out of trouble by buying "star players" on high wages and throwing more players at the problem has been our downfall. Maybe we should have invested in the spine of the team, not necessarily big stars, but better than what we had and go from there.

          I know we are not down yet, but we are very likely to go and we should not have gone.

          Just shows money doesn't buy suiccess if it is not used most wisely.

          PS - this is not a "negative" post. Just me offloading where I think it has gone wrong.
          I think this is an issue, trouble is... TF did want to keep Hughes in for this very reason.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by qpr4life View Post
            I think this is an issue, trouble is... TF did want to keep Hughes in for this very reason.
            Yes, I understand TF's hand was forced by the board in the end...not sure the real details.

            Anyway. In all of MHs time at QPR, which included 2 well backed transfer windows, he never, ever took us higher than 4th from bottom IIRC. That is where NW left us. Yet so many people say that NW had to go.

            Now we have Harry and another backed transfer window. But we are further adrift than when he took over.

            I don't know where we would be if NW had been backed, but I can't recall him getting anything like the backing these two have got and not one of them has managed to get us higher up the table than Neil.
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            • #7
              Good OP and i especially agree with the "You are only as strong as your weakest links" point you made. Too few good players in a squad of poor ones. Packing the squad out with benchwarming unwanted tat last summer has proved our undoing. I think Hoilett was maybe the only player we signed that other teams actually wanted and now we can certainly see why when you look at the rest of them. Not that Hoilett has proved anything either.

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              • #8
                If TF and the backers (whoever they all are) do stay - we have to change policy and develop a 4/5 year plan (no funny comments about the last one) that will allow sensible growth in the right manner.

                Behaving like Man City's clumsy little brother is not going to get us anywhere.
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                • #9
                  We tried (and are still trying) to move far too forward too quickly. Swansea and Norwich had a more measured, steady approach in dealing with transfers and finances. Overhauling a squad (2 or 3 times now) for the purpose of reaching heights we were never going to realistically obtain in such a hasty and scatter-gun manner was own downfall. IF we get away with it this season - and it's seems more unlikely - it's because we've been foolish and lucky. Not astute and clever.
                  Need to "Rip it up and start again" to quote Orange Juice in the summer and build steadily with a short,medium/long term plan.

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                  • #10
                    Relegation will be devestating, but as long as we keep a good core of the squad, which i thin kwe would, then it may not be the end of the world. It hasn't done West Brom much harm being a yo yo club for a spell. Also Newcastle dropped and came back stronger.

                    My main fear is we got relegated last time just before the money for the Prem got silly, and we then failed to get up and the rest is history.... If we go down this year, just before the money gets even more ridiculous, it could be a disaster if we fail to return quickly.

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                    • #11
                      Saints fan in peace here. It seems to me like you're putting a lot of blame on Mark Hughes and your players, but rarely the actions of Tony Fernandes and the board gets questioned. Might be wrong here, but if thats the case, it seems a bit weird for me as an outsider. In the end of the day, it's the board and Fernandes who are responsible for appointing Hughes and Redknapp and for the signings of your big-name-but-little-effort players, right?

                      Good luck for the rest of the campaign.

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                      • #12
                        To start with you have got to score goals and not concede easy ones. That is why we are the worse team in EPL. We have only won 2 matches. It is a collective responsibility for where we are.

                        You have to score penalties and create chances on dead ball situations and we have been horrible. The balance of the team has been bad all season and tactics very strange especially over the last few weeks.

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                        • #13
                          Fernandes talking about his great branding tool: http://video.ft.com/v/2147684337001/...ovides-a-boost

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SaintsForever View Post
                            Fernandes talking about his great branding tool: http://video.ft.com/v/2147684337001/...ovides-a-boost
                            Haven't you got a berk of an owner who recently sacked Nigel Adkins?
                            What the Hell are you doing on here, trying to stir up QPR fans against Tony Fernandes?
                            Get back on your own board, boy......There's enough at your pipsqueek club for you to worry about, never mind ours.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SaintsForever View Post
                              Fernandes talking about his great branding tool: http://video.ft.com/v/2147684337001/...ovides-a-boost
                              Tony having a chuckle while saying this in the interview..

                              "QPR is a phenomenal branding tool. I am well known but after football ............. .Even though they are bottom of the Premier League i am even more well known and AirAsia has got so much coverage."

                              hmmmmm

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