Is it time to drop Taraabt

[paulmason]

Nope - because I'm not a whinging old tart .



Yep. Am I wrong in saying he got us 3 points single handedly against Foolham?

And the game vs Norwich: I said he shoulda scored the pen, did I not? Which backs up my previous post? Yes. But to put the whole blame for not winning a 90 minute game of football on that 1 chance shows exactly how much we rely on Adel. If we need that single penalty to win at home to Norwich and the other 89 minutes nobody else does anything worthy of winning a game, them it sums up how $hit we are. Just because we missed a pen, doesn't mean the blame for the draw sits wholey on his shoulders - I think you'll find there were 10 others on the pitch that contributed to the pathetic performance.

OK for you princess or want some more explaining?

You actually trawled back through posts to dig that out by the way - brilliant

You said: "Only a brainless Pratt would blame Adel"
I said: "Wow, the other day you said Adel cant be blamed for missing a penalty and now your blaming others for misses???"

I hope that is clear for you and all you had to say was Yep, sorry you were right, not right an essay spinning what you said.

PS: I didn't trawl back i actually bookmarked the thread as I knew you would spout something at some stage about someone else missing an opportunity, as you are full of it and if you don't want bitch slaps, don't get gobby telling people they talk ****, when in fact they dont (well not in this case anyway).

[silvercue]

Adel is not the problem.

Playing the slowest CB pairing in the history of the PL is more of a problem
Replacing one slow CB with another slow CB (Samba is a good buy but needs pace along side him, not Hill) is more of a problem
Having poor full backs is more of a problem
Playing 2 Defensive midfielders who haven't got the legs for it is more of a problem
Playing Mackie is more of a problem
Playing Mackie up front on his own is more of a problem
Relying on Derry is more of a problem
SWP never scoring...or doing anything is more of a problem
Letting a striker go and not even trying others instead of Mackie is more of a problem
Disharmony in the dressing room is more of a problem
Some players not even trying is more of a problem
Poor management is more of a problem

Adel is an easy target for a number of reasons - people love to blame flair players. Some fans only seem to like goo old British grafters - the problem is ours are rubbish.

[MattyRangers]

You said: "Only a brainless Pratt would blame Adel"
I said: "Wow, the other day you said Adel cant be blamed for missing a penalty and now your blaming others for misses???"

I hope that is clear for you and all you had to say was Yep, sorry you were right, not right an essay spinning what you said.

PS: I didn't trawl back i actually bookmarked the thread as I knew you would spout something at some stage about someone else missing an opportunity, as you are full of it and if you don't want bitch slaps, don't get gobby telling people they talk ****, when in fact they dont (well not in this case anyway).

Oh lord this is like pulling teeth with you ain't it Putting it into simple terms for you paul; my "Only a brainless Pratt would blame Adel"
was reference the game as a whole. Ie the people blaming the fact our pathetic team could not beat Norwich in a 90 minutes game of football solely on Adel. We played a whole game with 10 other players - repeating msyelf, the fact people rely on solely Adel to win the game sums it up.

I didn't once say I did not blame Adel for missing the penalty as an isolated incident / chance - as my last post confirms: he shouldn't have missed there's no disguising that. So stop taking quotes without the finite details of the context they're from to try and twist things to suit your point.

This is so tedious and pedantic it really is.


Seeing as I'm feeling fairly generous this morning, though, I'll give you your "sorry you were right" comment as I'm sure it'll be the highlight of your day.

Finally, bore off with ya telling me what not to say will ya. I'll take "bitch slaps" all day long from internet warriors like yourself. This forum would be a better place without you tbf, no wonder you're on most people's ignore lists

Now tar dar - we'll leave it at that eh, or PM me if ya fancy more of a chat - clogging up threads going over old ground is no good to anyone

[Robsondinho]

Adel is not the problem.

Playing the slowest CB pairing in the history of the PL is more of a problem
Replacing one slow CB with another slow CB (Samba is a good buy but needs pace along side him, not Hill) is more of a problem
Having poor full backs is more of a problem
Playing 2 Defensive midfielders who haven't got the legs for it is more of a problem
Playing Mackie is more of a problem
Playing Mackie up front on his own is more of a problem
Relying on Derry is more of a problem
SWP never scoring...or doing anything is more of a problem
Letting a striker go and not even trying others instead of Mackie is more of a problem
Disharmony in the dressing room is more of a problem
Some players not even trying is more of a problem
Poor management is more of a problem

Adel is an easy target for a number of reasons - people love to blame flair players. Some fans only seem to like goo old British grafters - the problem is ours are rubbish.

Spot on, there are a million reasons before even looking at Adel to why we are where we are in the league.

[paulmason]

The sooner we are relegated and Adel and Mackie move on the better, as I have never seen two players divide a fan base like they do, its disgraceful. People are more concerned as to who plays, not how we play, fans bicker over nothing, they fight each other over opinions of the players, they boo players before they come or waiting to take a free kick, its laughable. As a club we are getting what we deserve............

[MattyRangers]

The sooner we are relegated and Adel and Mackie move on the better, as I have never seen two players divide a fan base like they do. People are more concerned as to who plays, more than they do the results, fans fight each other over oppinions of players, they boo players before they come or waiting to take a free kick, its laughable. As a club we are getting what we deserve............

Finally something we agree on. Couldn't believe it when that happened, only at QPR.

[Kirill]

The sooner we are relegated and Adel and Mackie move on the better, as I have never seen two players divide a fan base like they do...

They do, really? Well I think they are both very good players with some limitations and we are lucky to have them in the current squad that would have been even more dire without them. But maybe I am alone in thinking this

[QPR71]

The sooner we are relegated and Adel and Mackie move on the better, as I have never seen two players divide a fan base like they do, its disgraceful. People are more concerned as to who plays, not how we play, fans bicker over nothing, they fight each other over opinions of the players, they boo players before they come or waiting to take a free kick, its laughable. As a club we are getting what we deserve............

this is not what i call support for a club...wanting to go down...surely not

[Del]

Adel is not the problem.

Playing the slowest CB pairing in the history of the PL is more of a problem
Replacing one slow CB with another slow CB (Samba is a good buy but needs pace along side him, not Hill) is more of a problem
Having poor full backs is more of a problem
Playing 2 Defensive midfielders who haven't got the legs for it is more of a problem
Playing Mackie is more of a problem
Playing Mackie up front on his own is more of a problem
Relying on Derry is more of a problem
SWP never scoring...or doing anything is more of a problem
Letting a striker go and not even trying others instead of Mackie is more of a problem
Disharmony in the dressing room is more of a problem
Some players not even trying is more of a problem
Poor management is more of a problem

Adel is an easy target for a number of reasons - people love to blame flair players. Some fans only seem to like goo old British grafters - the problem is ours are rubbish.

Of course there are a lot of problems, but when Adel is playing for himself, and often when he does he's having an off game, that becomes the biggest problem at the time.

When he's like that he doesn't deliver anything, doens't pass to others in better positions which prevents us having opportunities, he'll lose the ball trying another often needless trick when we have players out of position and the opposition counter with a decent chance of scoring against us, other players get annoyed with him and after a while think what's the point and eventually give up making the runs.

When he plays well, of course he's an asset, but there have been plenty of occasions when he is so greedy and ineffective it's ridiculous. If he must try the tricks so be it, but lets concentrate on gettign the team into a winning position first and if 2-0 / 3-0 up (lol) then try them now and again, not when in a tight 0-0 30 yards from your own goal.

[rickyranger]

The sooner we are relegated and Adel and Mackie move on the better, as I have never seen two players divide a fan base like they do, its disgraceful. People are more concerned as to who plays, not how we play, fans bicker over nothing, they fight each other over opinions of the players, they boo players before they come or waiting to take a free kick, its laughable. As a club we are getting what we deserve............

Spot on post but the trouble is Tarrabt won't move on as nobody will want him, didn't after his so called super season and don't now, so we will be lumbered with him. His fans will then say he staying as he wants to get us back up and loves the club, before a week later coming out with his agent is talking to Barcelona S##t.

[Geng]

Spot on post but the trouble is Tarrabt won't move on as nobody will want him, didn't after his so called super season and don't now, so we will be lumbered with him. His fans will then say he staying as he wants to get us back up and loves the club, before a week later coming out with his agent is talking to Barcelona S##t.

God let's hope we aren't lumbered with Taarabt in the Championship. Really didn't work out for us last time.

[Geng]

Because Tarrabt always looks to come short to get the ball it allows the opposition to squeeze the play, others are afraid to make runs beyond Tarrabt because he will regularly loose the ball when trying a silly unnecessary trick and they will be out opposition and we will be vulnerable so we have little attacking threat.

Only Santi Cazorla has completed more 'successfully completed through balls' in the league this season. So I think Adel does alright at this actually.

And it's completely ridiculous to blame the awful movement of SWP, Mackie and co on Adel. Look at the rare times Adel has a player on a similar wavelength - he releases him often, and early. Best examples are Remy, or Routledge in the Championship season.

When he goes to a good club, where Remy / Routledge levels of intelligence and ability are the norm, I'm sure Adel will shine.

Lastly I keep hearing of these chances created by Tarrabt would someone please clarify what exactly these stats mean by created a chance, do they include created for himself because I just don't remember many missed chances other than by him. he has cost us at least 7 points by my calculations. Also is there a stat for the number of shots per goal as I am sure he would be top of that stat.

Go back through this thread and read my earlier posts. Or the ones in the previous Adel thread. Or the one before that.

Literally every single thing you say about him is wrong, and in most cases really easily disproved by what the stats actually show.

For the record, 'chances created' = "a pass that leads to a player taking a shot on goal"

If anything Adel will actually be slightly underrepresented in this stat, as loads of times Mackie and SWP's godawful control means they don't actually get a shot off.

If you really think Adel misses most of our chances you have some sort of weird blinkers on.

[Geng]

The anti-Adel arguments are so consistently bad. It's fish-in-a-barrel stuff.

Do people find these sorts of views are common at LR? They certainly aren't around me, and haven't been for a few years now.

I pity you if you sit next to some sort of paulmason / rickyranger type LR. Someone who watches one of our greatest ever players and wishes he was more like Matthew Etherington.

[Ginger Ninja]

God let's hope we aren't lumbered with Taarabt in the Championship. Really didn't work out for us last time.

i couldnt quite believe what i was reading either...

[Robsondinho]

The anti-Adel arguments are so consistently bad. It's fish-in-a-barrel stuff.

Do people find these sorts of views are common at LR? They certainly aren't around me, and haven't been for a few years now.

I pity you if you sit next to some sort of paulmason / rickyranger type LR. Someone who watches one of our greatest ever players and wishes he was more like Matthew Etherington.

I have never heard people moan about Adel or say he should be dropped. The only time I hear it is by 4 or 5 people on here. People say the fans are split on Adel, thats a load of rubbish for me as I am sure 95% of us appreciate him. Mackie is a type that splits the fan base as it's 50/50 if his cr@p or not.