For someone so good why does he deliver so little

[terry ball]

See what your saying, but also....

Zaha 15m
Carroll 35m
Henderson 20 odd million
Downing 15 odd million

I would rather Adel in our team then swap him for those 4.

Good point mate. Zaha apart as hes raw and unproven, none of them are worth half of that. Carroll at 35m is a joke. But if Adel is worth that sort of money, surely someone would have tested the water by now, especially as we are bottom of the league and could be seen as easy pickings? He's improved this season no end and long may he continue to do so

[terry ball]

What a pointless question. les is in the past. who would you rather have on the pitch now? Out of OUR 25?????

He is our best player with Cesar. Hopefully Remy, Samba and Towny will join them as class acts, but right now it is Adel of no creativity.

We know he doesn't always release quickly, but if I had a chance to release to Mackie or SWP with a 0.1% chance of them doing anything useful I would stick with the 30% chance that I could do something with it.

If you actually read the conversation, we was discussing who the best player was in the previous thirty years

[silvercue]

If you actually read the conversation, we was discussing who the best player was in the previous thirty years

No one reads what people actually say around here - so why should I when I can just type away like a lunatic.

[rockandroll]

I watched England- Brazil game just to be entertained with the hype of flair Brazilian players and see what the hype about the 40Millions neymar and co but I couldnt find any I mean anyone who has even 20% of Adels talent and vision and that drive to go forward.
just because he is Moroccan he doesnt get rightly rated by world media and pseudo football fans.
put Adel in a strong team like those hyped players you will forget about zidane messi and ronaldo.

[Lunar Jetman]

No one reads what people actually say around here - so why should I when I can just type away like a lunatic.

It's almost as if the lunatics are taking over the asylum...

[Robsondinho]

I watched England- Brazil game just to be entertained with the hype of flair Brazilian players and see what the hype about the 40Millions neymar and co but I couldnt find any I mean anyone who has even 20% of Adels talent and vision and that drive to go forward.
just because he is Moroccan he doesnt get rightly rated by world media and pseudo football fans.
put Adel in a strong team like those hyped players you will forget about zidane messi and ronaldo.

Now I am a massive Adel fan, but come on fella calm down with that qoute. All 3 of those are 3 of the best players to ever play the game. Adel has a long long way to go to be mentioned with players like that. I do agree though if you put Adel in a good side he will prove all his doubters wrong.

[kingy10]

Some good points on here about Adel but no-one has really answered the point of the post.

For someone so talented he doesn't deliver enough.

One key reason we haven't scored enough is that our 1 genuinely attacking midfielder, given licence to roam and a free role (Adel for the thick ones on here) is NEVER in the box. The number of times we have put decent balls across the box and there is 1 maybe 2 players getting into the box.

From a tactical point of view Adel is a square peg in a round hole. Naturally a wide man but incapable of defending we use him as a luxury with no defensive responsibility. This leads to our wide men having to work doubly hard to get up and down the wings. This is another reason why going forward we look so short. At times we have so many men behind the ball and that isolates the forward. This is not Adel's fault obviously but it creates a headache for the manager as effectively you are playing with 9 defensive players. Adel is the outlet yet he doesn't move the ball quick enough.

[dangould]

adel.

Quite possibly the most naturally skillful player in the premier league but just does not deliver enough.

1. Finishing, aside from the fulham game is very poor, the miss against city, penalty against norwich have directly cost us 4 points, numerous other
2. Set play deliver is up there with the worst i have ever seen from a professional footballer.
3. Fitness. One lung busting run finishes him for the next 20 minutes. Carrying too much weight.

In most people's eyes he has been great this year, but for me to be great you need to deliver results and i'm afraid he just doesn't.

not having that

[loftlag]

Same boring debate and again it all comes down to opinions. Some people love flair players, some people hate them and rather your Jamie Mackie types.

Adel imo is a unbelievable talent, of course he will have bad days as if he didn't, with that talent he probably wouldn't even know who QPR are as he would be playing for the worlds best. Since the days of Sir Les he has probably gave QPR fans our best moments and goals scored. He has created the most chances for us by a million miles in the last 2 or 3 years, provided us with entertaining individual play that I have never seen down Rangers, and for you older folk probably since Bowles. Yes he has us tearing our hair out at times, but he sure makes up for them with moments of pure genius. I tell you know for me I rather spend my £50 to get into the ground to watch Adel produce a few moments of magic, then the likes of Mackie, SWP, etc who when you look at the price of a ticket, then watch them in a game you go home feeling like you have been robbed.

I make you 90% right my only critism of AT is he is still playing the same game of 18 months ago ,he would now be a more effective team player if he would accept that he now is playing with better team mates and let others take thier share of corners free kicks and pens instead of trying to do it all all the time ,he needs to see he would have a bigger effect on a game and on the team if he was prepaired to hand over resoncebility to his team mates now and again

[MattyRangers]

I make you 90% right my only critism of AT is he is still playing the same game of 18 months ago ,he would now be a more effective team player if he would accept that he now is playing with better team mates and let others take thier share of corners free kicks and pens instead of trying to do it all all the time ,he needs to see he would have a bigger effect on a game and on the team if he was prepaired to hand over resoncebility to his team mates now and again

Pretty god point tbf - only thing is; who the hell do we have that can take these instead?! :pleasantsuprise:

[loftlag]

Pretty god point tbf - only thing is; who the hell do we have that can take these instead?! :pleasantsuprise:

Well JJ managed to have a go on sat BZ wanted the pen, Granera came with a rep for free kicks wich tbf looks to be true when he's played and AT has allowed him to, but it must put a bit more pressure on someone else taking a freekick [ christ I better get this right or I'll never get another chance]
Even players like Messie Kaka and other greats at Baca dont do it all

[uptheR's]

I see the point the OP is making in that it can be frustrating as we all see that Adel could do more i.e. finishing isnt great, releasing the ball quicker etc. But I think to criticise him is a bit harsh as without him we would have absolutely nobody capable of running with the ball, finding passes from midfield, dragging defenders out of position and generally just being a threat. We have nobody in the team (Remy and possibly Townsend aside now) to give opposition defenders anything to worry about

[zeberdee]

Some good points on here about Adel but no-one has really answered the point of the post.

For someone so talented he doesn't deliver enough.

One key reason we haven't scored enough is that our 1 genuinely attacking midfielder, given licence to roam and a free role (Adel for the thick ones on here) is NEVER in the box. The number of times we have put decent balls across the box and there is 1 maybe 2 players getting into the box.

From a tactical point of view Adel is a square peg in a round hole. Naturally a wide man but incapable of defending we use him as a luxury with no defensive responsibility. This leads to our wide men having to work doubly hard to get up and down the wings. This is another reason why going forward we look so short. At times we have so many men behind the ball and that isolates the forward. This is not Adel's fault obviously but it creates a headache for the manager as effectively you are playing with 9 defensive players. Adel is the outlet yet he doesn't move the ball quick enough.

If you look at the January transfer targets you can surmise that the manager does see the limitation of using Adel as he does. But the signings did not arrive so the big alternatives are not there (target man for example with a Crouch/Remy front two) so the manager is left with little tweaks that would likely be worse (using Granero as #10 instead of Adel for example).

I guess the hope is that the January signings hit the ground running and perform out of their skins (unlike the summer signings) and that using them Redknapp can invent a new aspect to the team like he did for the CFC game that can get even more blood from the stones MH left him.

But for Adel there are only two things I hope to change really. Replace him for dead ball and work to give him better vision. The dead ball thing is easy - just rotate the takers between a few likely candidates and see how it goes. The vision thing - passing more often to better placed team mates for example - will take some work.

Overall though I wouldn't get too down on Adel - the problem is more the lack of alternatives.

[NW9_RANGER]

I watched England- Brazil game just to be entertained with the hype of flair Brazilian players and see what the hype about the 40Millions neymar and co but I couldnt find any I mean anyone who has even 20% of Adels talent and vision and that drive to go forward.
just because he is Moroccan he doesnt get rightly rated by world media and pseudo football fans.
put Adel in a strong team like those hyped players you will forget about zidane messi and ronaldo.

Oh dear! Sorry mate, I think Adel is a very good player and we'd be ****ed without him. However he will never be as good as those 3. People talk about adel's potential like he's 18 or something. He's only a few years away from reaching his peak. He's a very good player - technically up there with the best, but he'll never be a great player no matter which country he came from.

[rickyranger]

you been hanging out with sir alex and arsene again? Or is the at a more junior level, where seeing someone hoof the thing 90 yards is viewed as class.

Ok so give me the examples of these numerous chances he creates that others mess up, bet there not as many as his misses this season. Also why not try to debate hs ability rather than just dismiss others opinions, particularly when they are backed up with evidence.