The lies of Tony Fernandes and Harry Redknapp

[WeAreQPR12]

This board was much better when its main purpose was to leak transfer targets and circle jerk Bernie and Flav

i'd rather paint my toe nails than read the drivel of u and marshy, harsh but true

[Marshy]

Yes we know as you said all of this in the other thread also.

I love the way you spout all these statements as if fact or you are some divine fountain of knowledge and information.

Firstly, Both and DJ came back in, but for all we know the clubs we loaned them to may have only paid a few £k of their wage in the first place, so them coming back may have next to no impact.

Cisse going out to the far east where money is awash so it's perfectly feasible they paid his wage in full (plus the £500k for the loan), and as he came last Jan it's also feasible he got parity with high earners at the time, if reports are to be believed could be circa £60k / wk. This may cover all Remy's wage for all we know as the reported £80k was slammed a while back.

Dyer's gone and will be off the wage as he's technically left the club... any settlement is irrelevant, he's off the wage bill. He probably got about £15-20k basic
Ferdinand probably on about £40k at a guess and we have no idea what the new club is paying, but could be the bulk of if not all.
Faurllin's gone, not sure what he's on either but could be significant if he'd had any extension in the last year or so.
Hulse has gone out
Some younger players gone out, who could well combine to decent amounts.

Samba tooka pay cut to come and we don't know what he's on but i'l assume £80k max, easilly covere by above.
Townsend and Jenas apparently £25k combined
Ben Haim was on the scrap heap so probably minimal wage and money made on appearances.
Yun who knows what he's on, but i doubt massive wages.

ALso can't be sure as to when interview with TF was done, but he may have also factored out DJ's wage becasue he was meant to go to Blackburn, and they could be about £30k, poss more as we got him cheap using a buy out clause and he'd proved himself in the prem so could command decent wages.

Point is, none of us, especially you have the facts or detail, so to come out with threads as typically stupid as this one, just further cement the majority of poster's opinions of you.

You're just looking at the best case scenario, twisting everything to meet your argument. I mean, I love the way you twist things to say that when we loaned out players that came back to us, it was just a few k the other clubs were paying, yet the players we have loaned out now are having most, if not all, of their salaries paid by the other club! You should be a politician with your spin! The best bit was that the Arab club would pay all of Cisse's salary! They might be rich, but they're not stupid!

Anyway, it might well be that our wage bill is slightly lower. In the best case scenario, I'd say it could be 20k lower per week. That is still peanuts. And Harry said he would not spend the owners money with the situation we're in - we're still in the situation, our wage bill is at best only slightly lower, and we have gone out and spent 20 million!

[MattyRangers]

I don't care about the wage bill. It only becomes a talking point if we go down and then if the owners walk.

Or if Marshy wants some attention.

[Geng]

Unfortunately it's like reading the daily star these days.

I find myself reading loft 4 words more these days because we have far to many oddballs on here and that's coming from someone that believes in freedom of speech!

Marshy is essentially saying the same things as Clive LFW though. eg:

http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/fb_news.php?storyid=31319&title=the_good,_the_bad_and_odemwingie

[MattyRangers]

Yes we know as you said all of this in the other thread also.

I love the way you spout all these statements as if fact or you are some divine fountain of knowledge and information.

Firstly, Both and DJ came back in, but for all we know the clubs we loaned them to may have only paid a few £k of their wage in the first place, so them coming back may have next to no impact.

Cisse going out to the far east where money is awash so it's perfectly feasible they paid his wage in full (plus the £500k for the loan), and as he came last Jan it's also feasible he got parity with high earners at the time, if reports are to be believed could be circa £60k / wk. This may cover all Remy's wage for all we know as the reported £80k was slammed a while back.

Dyer's gone and will be off the wage as he's technically left the club... any settlement is irrelevant, he's off the wage bill. He probably got about £15-20k basic
Ferdinand probably on about £40k at a guess and we have no idea what the new club is paying, but could be the bulk of if not all.
Faurllin's gone, not sure what he's on either but could be significant if he'd had any extension in the last year or so.
Hulse has gone out
Some younger players gone out, who could well combine to decent amounts.

Samba tooka pay cut to come and we don't know what he's on but i'l assume £80k max, easilly covered by above.
Townsend and Jenas apparently £25k combined
Ben Haim was on the scrap heap so probably minimal wage and money made on appearances.
Yun who knows what he's on, but i doubt massive wages.

ALso can't be sure as to when interview with TF was done, but he may have also factored out DJ's wage because he was meant to go to Blackburn, and they could be about £30k, poss more as we got him cheap using a buy out clause and he'd proved himself in the prem so could command decent wages.

Point is, none of us, especially you have the facts or detail, so to come out with threads as typically stupid as this one, just further cement the majority of poster's opinions of you.

Spot on Del. said exactly what I couldn't be bothered to

Ninja you are right n all - Marshy sums up exactly what's bringing this place down. Proper helmet.

[Lunar Jetman]

You're just looking at the best case scenario, twisting everything to meet your argument.

Isn't that what you're doing, only in the opposite direction....

Anyway, it might well be that our wage bill is slightly lower. In the best case scenario, I'd say it could be 20k lower per week. That is still peanuts. And Harry said he would not spend the owners money with the situation we're in - we're still in the situation, our wage bill is at best only slightly lower, and we have gone out and spent 20 million!

But have at least 2 saleable assets in the form of Samba and Remy. So if your "best case" scenario above is correct, we'll be 20k per week better off and be able to get around 20 million back for a pair of players who are too good for the Championship.... What's wrong there?

[QprSinceBirth]

Go start your own blog .

[brightonr]

Marshy, just a thought. A different title to the thread, may have produced a more thoughtful and interesting discussion. That one, was only ever going to get others into defensive mode immediately.

After all these years, I still find it hard to see how it can be more interesting to sling insults at each other, than have a debate with people who see things differently.

Must be me.

[Del]

You're just looking at the best case scenario, twisting everything to meet your argument. I mean, I love the way you twist things to say that when we loaned out players that came back to us, it was just a few k the other clubs were paying, yet the players we have loaned out now are having most, if not all, of their salaries paid by the other club! You should be a politician with your spin! The best bit was that the Arab club would pay all of Cisse's salary! They might be rich, but they're not stupid!

Anyway, it might well be that our wage bill is slightly lower. In the best case scenario, I'd say it could be 20k lower per week. That is still peanuts. And Harry said he would not spend the owners money with the situation we're in - we're still in the situation, our wage bill is at best only slightly lower, and we have gone out and spent 20 million!

And you always look at the worst case scenario.

Ref the loans and amounts paid, you're missing the point completey. DJ and Both were at lowere league clubs, who often pay a fraction of a players wage. Cisse, Ferdinand and Faurlin went out to top flight clubs in their relevant country, hence would expect them to pay significant % of their wages.

And yes the far east clubs do throw money about so i would not be surprised in the slightest if they paid Cisse's wage in full.... do you not see the money effectively retiring players get offered just to play in the far east....?

As for your last comment, you now accept we could be paying slightly less in wages now, which completely contradicts the statement in your opening post.

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Yes we know as you said all of this in the other thread also.

I love the way you spout all these statements as if fact or you are some divine fountain of knowledge and information.

Firstly, Both and DJ came back in, but for all we know the clubs we loaned them to may have only paid a few £k of their wage in the first place, so them coming back may have next to no impact.

Cisse going out to the far east where money is awash so it's perfectly feasible they paid his wage in full (plus the £500k for the loan), and as he came last Jan it's also feasible he got parity with high earners at the time, if reports are to be believed could be circa £60k / wk. This may cover all Remy's wage for all we know as the reported £80k was slammed a while back.

Dyer's gone and will be off the wage as he's technically left the club... any settlement is irrelevant, he's off the wage bill. He probably got about £15-20k basic
Ferdinand probably on about £40k at a guess and we have no idea what the new club is paying, but could be the bulk of if not all.
Faurllin's gone, not sure what he's on either but could be significant if he'd had any extension in the last year or so.
Hulse has gone out
Some younger players gone out, who could well combine to decent amounts.

Samba tooka pay cut to come and we don't know what he's on but i'l assume £80k max, easilly covered by above.
Townsend and Jenas apparently £25k combined
Ben Haim was on the scrap heap so probably minimal wage and money made on appearances.
Yun who knows what he's on, but i doubt massive wages.

ALso can't be sure as to when interview with TF was done, but he may have also factored out DJ's wage because he was meant to go to Blackburn, and they could be about £30k, poss more as we got him cheap using a buy out clause and he'd proved himself in the prem so could command decent wages.

Point is, none of us, especially you have the facts or detail, so to come out with threads as typically stupid as this one, just further cement the majority of poster's opinions of you.

Good post. Marshy apparently knows more of the detail than TF though.

[MattyRangers]

And you always look at the worst case scenario.

Ref the loans and amounts paid, you're missing the point completey. DJ and Both were at lowere league clubs, who often pay a fraction of a players wage. Cisse, Ferdinand and Faurlin went out to top flight clubs in their relevant country, hence would expect them to pay significant % of their wages.

And yes the far east clubs do throw money about so i would not be surprised in the slightest if they paid Cisse's wage in full.... do you not see the money effectively retiring players get offered just to play in the far east....?

As for your last comment, you now accept we could be paying slightly less in wages now, which completely contradicts the statement in your opening post.

And to use your own phrase here Marshy - Del has just destroyed your post

[Geng]

Isn't that what you're doing, only in the opposite direction....



But have at least 2 saleable assets in the form of Samba and Remy. So if your "best case" scenario above is correct, we'll be 20k per week better off and be able to get around 20 million back for a pair of players who are too good for the Championship.... What's wrong there?

Samba isn't a 'saleable asset' as he's nearly 29 and being paid far more than any other club will pay him. Outside of Russia, UAE etc, but I think its clear he'd rather play in London than elsewhere.

Only 5 or so CBs in the Prem earn more than him

Doesn't make him a bad player - far from it, I think he's excellent - but he's not going to get much in the way of a transfer fee if he leaves as we'll be subsidising wages

[HertsHoops]

Cisse wage saved covers Remys

Faurlin and Ferdinands wages should cover Sambas (TF said on Radio5 he was on 65k)

All other ins and outs (Townsend/Jenas/Young - Dyer/Hulse) are lower earners and have minimal impact

OP just WUMing

[DouDou_87]

I'm still of the opinion that Marshy is a Chelsea or Fulham fan.

[MattyRangers]

Samba isn't a 'saleable asset' as he's nearly 29 and being paid far more than any other club will pay him. Outside of Russia, UAE etc, but I think its clear he'd rather play in London than elsewhere.

Only 5 or so CBs in the Prem earn more than him

Doesn't make him a bad player - far from it, I think he's excellent - but he's not going to get much in the way of a transfer fee if he leaves as we'll be subsidising wages

Clueless. Samba earn £60k per week. Get your facts straight before ya start spouting cr4p.