show some backbone people

[Robbo]

The worst thing is...the fans know more about who's better in which positions that the management.

That's understandable though, isn't it?

I mean, last season Jim Magilton was giving 100% of his attention to whether David Norris was better down the middle or wide right, and if Keven Lisbie had the work-rate to compliment Jon Stead in away games, or should Counago play, etc....

Meanwhile we (the fans) are sitting at games, under various managers, and over a period of time realising that Buz is better in the centre, and Agyemang runs around a lot being a pain in the ar*se to defenders, but has the vision and finishing touch of a blind hedgehog... in a bag. And that Mahon and Legs together in midfield has the creativity of Steve Palmers left foot.
And that HH is a busted flush, no matter how good he might look in training. He can only find these things that we all know by watching them in matches, and watching them balls things up.

He's assessing things, and making mistakes along the way - which he will (hopefully) learn from. Every new manager has that problem. We should know.

The reason for all that is the stupid amount of managers we've had that constantly have to start all over again looking at the squad that we know about already, and the sheer number of options he has to weigh up and learn about, because we have too many players who are much of a muchness. Especially in midfield. The most important part of any team.

The solution - for me, is to massively trim down the numbers of players we have for the same positions to avoid the option/need for all the chopping and changing, get a settled and more unified system/team, and let him and Gorman decide who they need, or just as importantly - do not need.

Apart from a good striker and left back, it's far more important that we actually unload players and have a much tighter system/unit, than add to the cluttered mess we already have.
It's causing chaos and probably unrest amongst the squad.


I'm tired now. :waaaht:

[Del]

It will take him time to get back into the swing of proper match environment. I personally thought a loan may do him good, but hey. according to the comments , mayb eMadge has said he will get a run in the first team so that could help... Blimeya half fit Vine is 700% better to have on the pitch than HH anyway.

[PeterG]

you send young players out on loan or players you want rid off, vine will be integral if we are to have a succesfull season, we need to get a settled line up, simpson needs to learn how to play with his team mates, chopping and changing his supply line wont help him, Vine is coming back and should start imho

[Quaz]

we need to get a settled line up, simpson needs to learn how to play with his team mates, chopping and changing his supply line wont help him

trying telling Magilton...not us we already know

[davman]

With Nodge and Benny on this one. I got the feeling that Viney was on thin ground when he spoke up for Sousa towards the end of last season and I wouldn't at all be surprised if someone in the club hauled him over the coals for his comments in the press.

He's seen them offload players who didn't fit in with ***OUR SAVIOURS*** philosophy on who should play for the club and also managers at an alarming and embarrassing rate. I'd imagine many of them are p'd off and can't be bothered at the moment.

And don't give me 'they're professionals, they should just get on with it', because, they are human too and I'd find it hard to get motivated for a club that is run like ours; in fact, as a supporter I am feeling pretty de-motivated about it all at the moment.

[Scarlet pimple]

I am flabbergasted with what some people are saying about Rowan Vine.

you have a player coming back from a terrible injury has played bits of games in a season only 6 matches old and yet a good proportion on here want rid,

I can only assume that some people here have seen very little real football, Vine is an excellent football player at this level perhaps even outstanding. He needs our support and will pay it back in spades as he finds his form again. some people on here are so fickle its beyond belief and others I have to assume have never really seen football played live on grass.

He will be an ideal foil for Simpson and even 3/4 fit should start.

Spot on.........short farking memories on here.

[LOOPYHOOP]

Some fans on here have very short memories.........

[Robbo]

And I'll tell you something else - some fans have very short memories.

[qblockpete]

Could you remind me what you just said?

[Robbo]

Never mind that, when's Jay Simpson signing then??