On reflection. Biggest plus from y'day

[BUSHRANGER1982]

Surely it's now clear after that abysmal performance certain players need shifting fast.

Pretty much most fans are in agreement about the likes of Ferdinand moving on but others have been subject to many a debate but for me these players must be sold or released.

Jamie Mackie.

Most debated guy on here most probably but if I was a manager he would get the chop in an instant. We all know his work rate is immense & for that I admire him massively. Great attitude & in his favour the kind of character you do need in a dogfight like ours BUT his lack of ability is frightening, his vision, runs, shooting & dribbling are all so poor it's amazing he's playing in the top flight. I would use him as an impact sub at best but if offered £3m as rumoured I'd say snap their hands off.

Ale Faurlin;

Great guy & been superb for us prior to his injury but whether its due to that or just that he can't cut it in the Premier League I'm not sure but he's just not up to the task. Could probably count on one hand the amount of good games he's had in 2 years. Definitely has class or had it maybe but I feel he's very over rated & given the opportunity I'd sell.

Park Ji Sung;

Another workhorse & actually doesn't get the credit for a lot of the dog work he actually does really well but is to in effective in games & hasn't come anywhere near the form he showed at Manchester United. Fergie knew when to get rid & for his wages alone which must be extortionate I'd get rid.

Jay Bothroyd;

Hasn't done anything for me from the day he arrived. Immobile, can't jump, for a big guy doesn't bully defences in the slightest, can be seen as lazy at times & although he'll always be remembered for the great game he had against Man City last season & WBA this he hasn't done nearly enough to merit a place when he has been called upon.

Hogan Ephraim;

I like this kid & have been surprised he hasn't been given a single run out for us this season considering we've been so poor but at the same time I don't feel he has the minerals to produce at the top level. Got sent on loan to Leeds & Charlton & didn't exactly pull up trees & was ultimately returned to us. Had long enough to break through & it just hasn't happened for him. Sell.

Rob Green;

Again I like Greeno but is an absolute drain on resources & is only minutes away from another howler. Not totally at fault yesterday but could of done a lot better imo. I'd be happy with Cesar as number 1 & Cerny & Murphy as back up. Chelsea have Turnbull FFS you don't need 2 keepers on over £50,000 per week each. Sell

Other players I'd try & shift for a variety if reasons would be;

Rob Hulse
Jose Bosingwa
Djibril Cisse (perm)

Players I would keep who have not been getting a real look in would be;

Esteban Granero
Samba Diakite
Andrew Johnson
Nedum Onouha
Junior Hoilett
DJ Campbell
Armand Traore

All for various differing reasons but I feel those above still have a lot to offer.

I know no more about football than you this is simply MY reasons on who I'd keep & sell based in what I've seen since they've joined us there is a hell of a lot of wages combined with that lot probably approximately £300,000 per week more than enough to bring in 5-6 players on £40-50k per week of better quality.

Before anyone says yea but who's gonna buy them I understand that but am simply outlining the players I feel NEED to go not will go for whatever reason.

Anyone have anything to add to this or have I been to harsh on certain players?

Can't argue with any of that.

[Ric-Roc]

That's a shame bush cos I'm in the mood for a row

[Shania]

Faurlin is suffering psycholgically after his injury. I simply refuse to accept he is this bad. Besides him and Granero together is simply not working.
One do also have to take into consideration that most players at QPR now have lost game after game after game for nearly two years now. On top of that they play in a new constalation every week. Personally, I would hardly call that much needed consistency.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

That's a shame bush cos I'm in the mood for a row

[CHOCKY]

Can you explain why we should keep Granero ?, his attitude seems poor , he doesn't seem to have the heart or desire to play for a club like our's , I would question whether he is physically robust enough .
What was most frustrating yesterday that both Granero and Faulin were trying to play killer passes rather than play simple passes to men in space , Faulin's injury has definitely affected his performances .
I have always felt Jamie Mackie was an impact player off the bench , why he was played on the left of midfield yesterday was beyond me, he can play on the right , but the left ?
. I think DJ Campbell is a Championship player , I feel the same about Bothroyd and I don't either will get any better , these players were only signed because the previous owners wouldn't give NW money to buy players like Danny Graham in the summer of 2011

[Kit]

Surely it's now clear after that abysmal performance certain players need shifting fast.

Pretty much most fans are in agreement about the likes of Ferdinand moving on but others have been subject to many a debate but for me these players must be sold or released.

Jamie Mackie.

Most debated guy on here most probably but if I was a manager he would get the chop in an instant. We all know his work rate is immense & for that I admire him massively. Great attitude & in his favour the kind of character you do need in a dogfight like ours BUT his lack of ability is frightening, his vision, runs, shooting & dribbling are all so poor it's amazing he's playing in the top flight. I would use him as an impact sub at best but if offered £3m as rumoured I'd say snap their hands off.

Ale Faurlin;

Great guy & been superb for us prior to his injury but whether its due to that or just that he can't cut it in the Premier League I'm not sure but he's just not up to the task. Could probably count on one hand the amount of good games he's had in 2 years. Definitely has class or had it maybe but I feel he's very over rated & given the opportunity I'd sell.

Park Ji Sung;

Another workhorse & actually doesn't get the credit for a lot of the dog work he actually does really well but is to in effective in games & hasn't come anywhere near the form he showed at Manchester United. Fergie knew when to get rid & for his wages alone which must be extortionate I'd get rid.

Jay Bothroyd;

Hasn't done anything for me from the day he arrived. Immobile, can't jump, for a big guy doesn't bully defences in the slightest, can be seen as lazy at times & although he'll always be remembered for the great game he had against Man City last season & WBA this he hasn't done nearly enough to merit a place when he has been called upon.

Hogan Ephraim;

I like this kid & have been surprised he hasn't been given a single run out for us this season considering we've been so poor but at the same time I don't feel he has the minerals to produce at the top level. Got sent on loan to Leeds & Charlton & didn't exactly pull up trees & was ultimately returned to us. Had long enough to break through & it just hasn't happened for him. Sell.

Rob Green;

Again I like Greeno but is an absolute drain on resources & is only minutes away from another howler. Not totally at fault yesterday but could of done a lot better imo. I'd be happy with Cesar as number 1 & Cerny & Murphy as back up. Chelsea have Turnbull FFS you don't need 2 keepers on over £50,000 per week each. Sell

Other players I'd try & shift for a variety if reasons would be;

Rob Hulse
Jose Bosingwa
Djibril Cisse (perm)

Players I would keep who have not been getting a real look in would be;

Esteban Granero
Samba Diakite
Andrew Johnson
Nedum Onouha
Junior Hoilett
DJ Campbell
Armand Traore

All for various differing reasons but I feel those above still have a lot to offer.

I know no more about football than you this is simply MY reasons on who I'd keep & sell based in what I've seen since they've joined us there is a hell of a lot of wages combined with that lot probably approximately £300,000 per week more than enough to bring in 5-6 players on £40-50k per week of better quality.

Before anyone says yea but who's gonna buy them I understand that but am simply outlining the players I feel NEED to go not will go for whatever reason.

Anyone have anything to add to this or have I been to harsh on certain players?

Pretty much agree with all of that, with the exception of Mackie he is a decent squad player.

[Shania]

Can you explain why we should keep Granero ?, his attitude seems poor , he doesn't seem to have the heart or desire to play for a club like our's , I would question whether he is physically robust enough .

What was most frustrating yesterday that both Granero and Faulin were trying to play killer passes rather than play simple passes to men in space , Faulin's injury has definitely affected his performances .
I have always felt Jamie Mackie was an impact player off the bench , why he was played on the left of midfield yesterday was beyond me, he can play on the right , but the left ?
. I think DJ Campbell is a Championship player , I feel the same about Bothroyd and I don't either will get any better , these players were only signed because the previous owners wouldn't give NW money to buy players like Danny Graham in the summer of 2011

Agreed. Sell!

[lymehoop]

don't think a club our size can have 25 top class pros, 18 at the most,with 7 fillers, the Derrys, Hills, Nelsons and Mackies of this world, who in my opinion been our most important players this season.

[gator]

I think we will have to keep either DJ or Bothroyd, not both and that is assuming another striker isn't brought in, I hope it is just a rumour that Remy is struggling with a hamstring issue already! As someone previously mentioned, if BZ can find his form and match fitness quickly, that will be like a new signing! After a day of reflection I have to believe after Harry's interview that he will pull the plug on many of these playes that Ric mentioned, they had their chance and failed miserably in their last chance to impress the Gaffer!

[Shania]

I think we will have to keep either DJ or Bothroyd, not both and that is assuming another striker isn't brought in, I hope it is just a rumour that Remy is struggling with a hamstring issue already! As someone previously mentioned, if BZ can find his form and match fitness quickly, that will be like a new signing! After a day of reflection I have to believe after Harry's interview that he will pull the plug on many of these playes that Ric mentioned, they had their chance and failed miserably in their last chance to impress the Gaffer!

Harry said we needed another striker aswell!!

[gator]

Harry said we needed another striker aswell!!

I wonder if he means in addition to those two or after he unloads one or both of them! Loan deals for the pair might not be a bad idea because as has been mentioned they would probably both be of use to us if the unthinkable should happen and we got relegated!

[QPRDave]

Imo we need to sign another 5 or 6 2 cb's 2 mf's and at least one more striker if not 2

[twranger]

Surely it's now clear after that abysmal performance certain players need shifting fast.

Pretty much most fans are in agreement about the likes of Ferdinand moving on but others have been subject to many a debate but for me these players must be sold or released.

Jamie Mackie.

Most debated guy on here most probably but if I was a manager he would get the chop in an instant. We all know his work rate is immense & for that I admire him massively. Great attitude & in his favour the kind of character you do need in a dogfight like ours BUT his lack of ability is frightening, his vision, runs, shooting & dribbling are all so poor it's amazing he's playing in the top flight. I would use him as an impact sub at best but if offered £3m as rumoured I'd say snap their hands off.

Ale Faurlin;

Great guy & been superb for us prior to his injury but whether its due to that or just that he can't cut it in the Premier League I'm not sure but he's just not up to the task. Could probably count on one hand the amount of good games he's had in 2 years. Definitely has class or had it maybe but I feel he's very over rated & given the opportunity I'd sell.

Park Ji Sung;

Another workhorse & actually doesn't get the credit for a lot of the dog work he actually does really well but is to in effective in games & hasn't come anywhere near the form he showed at Manchester United. Fergie knew when to get rid & for his wages alone which must be extortionate I'd get rid.

Jay Bothroyd;

Hasn't done anything for me from the day he arrived. Immobile, can't jump, for a big guy doesn't bully defences in the slightest, can be seen as lazy at times & although he'll always be remembered for the great game he had against Man City last season & WBA this he hasn't done nearly enough to merit a place when he has been called upon.

Hogan Ephraim;

I like this kid & have been surprised he hasn't been given a single run out for us this season considering we've been so poor but at the same time I don't feel he has the minerals to produce at the top level. Got sent on loan to Leeds & Charlton & didn't exactly pull up trees & was ultimately returned to us. Had long enough to break through & it just hasn't happened for him. Sell.

Rob Green;

Again I like Greeno but is an absolute drain on resources & is only minutes away from another howler. Not totally at fault yesterday but could of done a lot better imo. I'd be happy with Cesar as number 1 & Cerny & Murphy as back up. Chelsea have Turnbull FFS you don't need 2 keepers on over £50,000 per week each. Sell

Other players I'd try & shift for a variety if reasons would be;

Rob Hulse
Jose Bosingwa
Djibril Cisse (perm)

Players I would keep who have not been getting a real look in would be;

Esteban Granero
Samba Diakite
Andrew Johnson
Nedum Onouha
Junior Hoilett
DJ Campbell
Armand Traore

All for various differing reasons but I feel those above still have a lot to offer.

I know no more about football than you this is simply MY reasons on who I'd keep & sell based in what I've seen since they've joined us there is a hell of a lot of wages combined with that lot probably approximately £300,000 per week more than enough to bring in 5-6 players on £40-50k per week of better quality.

Before anyone says yea but who's gonna buy them I understand that but am simply outlining the players I feel NEED to go not will go for whatever reason.

Anyone have anything to add to this or have I been to harsh on certain players?

Can't believe you could be bothered to write all that - still, good on you......you should write a book with that level of committment and staying power!

[Shania]

I wonder if he means in addition to those two or after he unloads one or both of them! Loan deals for the pair might not be a bad idea because as has been mentioned they would probably both be of use to us if the unthinkable should happen and we got relegated!

Think he will keep Boothroyd. But DJ. wants to play regularly I read somewhere. I think he is Ipswich bound.

[twranger]

Think he will keep Boothroyd. But DJ. wants to play regularly I read somewhere. I think he is Ipswich bound.

reckon he is egg bound......or he just runs funny