Remy, the mercenary.

[MYU]

Loic Remy undecided over whether to join QPR or Newcastle

Loic Remy remains undecided about his future with offers from Newcastle and QPR, and possibly other Premier League sides, on the table.

The Marseille striker appeared destined for St James' Park until QPR attempted to hijack the deal by matching the Magpies' £8million offer and then tempting the 26-year-old with more money.

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[Marshy]

The semantic debate over the word 'mercenary' is pretty boring.

Let's ignore the word and discuss whether its a bad thing that Remy has clearly joined us because we offer the most money plus some sort of relegation release clause.

The whole deal is a bit troubling, but I think the most worrying aspect is the relegation clause. Imagine Remy plays excellently for us and scores 10 goals by May, but due to poor defending and Jamie 'mercenary' Mackie ditching us for Barcelona we are 50:50 to go down on the final day.

What are Remy's motivations going to be in these circumstances? Score, help QPR stay up, and stay in the Prem on his current (well-rewarded) contract with one of the league's lowest clubs. Or play badly / fake an injury / whatever and get released by QPR (or sold for some kind of Demba Ba-esque figure). He'd be a free agent, and able to command that £10m he thinks he's worth as a signing on fee. And he'd probably end up at a bigger club.

So that's the worry. I don't really care whether we call him a mercenary or not. Some players who move for money still work hard and perform excellently, others don't regardless of their contract or ambition.

Sensible post.

But I am sorry, I am going to have to discuss the semantic meaning of the word mercenary with out friends Dave and Matty, because if the government won't provide education, I will.

[Geng]

or lets use the shorthand for that sentence ie mercenary

A term that could apply to both Clint Hill and Jose Bosingwa isn't particularly helpful

[MattyRangers]

From what i heard all Redknapp had to do was get him to watch an Episode of Geordie Shore and he soon changed his mind.

Talking of that programme, my pal copped hold of Charlotte from it a few years back when we was in Skegness and he's a right chunky ba$tard - then she's on that show gving large about "I'd never get with a fella without a 6 pack" so he text her a photo of his stomach and and she's never spoken to him since. True & pointless story.

[QPRDave]

Loic Remy undecided over whether to join QPR or Newcastle

Loic Remy remains undecided about his future with offers from Newcastle and QPR, and possibly other Premier League sides, on the table.

The Marseille striker appeared destined for St James' Park until QPR attempted to hijack the deal by matching the Magpies' £8million offer and then tempting the 26-year-old with more money.

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So he might not come afterall, not bothered tbh Harry will have other targets

[Marshy]

Actually a mercenary is someone that will fight a cause that he has no emotional attachment to, no personal reasons, no religious reasons, no political reasons, purely money. How many players play for their boyhood clubs? Not many i'll bet, so all players are mercenaries, if you go and work for Tesco you're a mercenary....unless you work for love not money

Nah you're wrong Dave. Know why? Nope - nor do I - but Marshy says so, so therefore you must be

Do you really believe that the definition of a mercenary is if you work for money? That is the most nonsensical thing I have ever read on this messageboard. So let me get this straight, if you shopped at Sainsbury's but then got a job at Tesco's, you're a mercenary?

So, yes, your definition is made up. And it's not because I say so, you can go and ask 50 people on the street whether someone working for Tesco's to earn a living is a mercenary, and they'll just laugh at you.

First of all, football is not an armed conflict. So we cannot use the original definition of the word mercenary. The original definition was to do with people who would fight for a cause with no moral values, purely for money. So if another side came and offered them more money, they would switch allegiance and fight against their former group.

When translated to football, mercenary tends to be used for players who have no moral values, such as loyalty, and are completely motivated by financial gain. It has absolutely nothing to do earning a salary as you're implying. Is it morally wrong to move to a club who can pay you 200k when you're at a club who can only afford to pay you 30k? Of course not. NO ONE would call such a player a mercenary - well, apart from you and Matty by the looks of it.
On the other hand, would a player who has been nurtured by a club and is on 50k a week, who then moves to their rival in a relegation dog-fight so that he can earn 55k a week a mercenary? A lot of people would say he is, because they would say he has a moral obligation to show loyalty to his club, and that him wanting the 5k a week extra is just greed.

So, yes, your definition was way off the mark. When discussing a mercenary, the moral context plays a part, yet you seem to be thinking that someone earning money for a job is somehow a mercenary.

Anyway, I started this thread because I feel that Remy is bordering on the mercenary because I feel he first wanted to go to Newcastle, but when we offered more money (and it can't be that much more), he changed his decision. You might not agree with me, and that's good, I like intelligent debate - what I do not like is straw-men arguments and newly made definitions just to argue some point. So, please, let's keep it civilised.

[SammyKojoe]

Talking of that programme, my pal copped hold of Charlotte from it a few years back when we was in Skegness and he's a right chunky ba$tard - then she's on that show gving large about "I'd never get with a fella without a 6 pack" so he text her a photo of his stomach and and she's never spoken to him since. True & pointless story.

She can look a decent sort. But she can also look ropey but fair play to your pal. Did he ruin her or just get hold of her in a club? You may say it was a true and pointless story but it was the best post on this thread that i have read!

[Geng]

Talking of that programme, my pal copped hold of Charlotte from it a few years back when we was in Skegness and he's a right chunky ba$tard - then she's on that show gving large about "I'd never get with a fella without a 6 pack" so he text her a photo of his stomach and and she's never spoken to him since. True & pointless story.

Excellent story!

[QprSinceBirth]

@GuillemBalague: Can confirm that Loic Remy has chosen QPR ahead of Newcastle United. #QPR #NUFC #THFC #CFC http://t.co/Fhi0MaM8

[QPRDave]

Take a look at this

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mercenary

Iain't got a clue wtf you're on about shopping in one place and working in another....have you got mad cow disease?
I said maybe not clearly but if you do a job for payment or reward then its mercenary otherwise you work volutarily.Read the dictionary definitions one says hireling.
Btw i am agreeing with you over Remy but so do most other players

[Marshy]

Take a look at this

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mercenary

Iain't got a clue wtf you're on about shopping in one place and working in another....have you got mad cow disease?
I said maybe not clearly but if you do a job for payment or reward then its mercenary otherwise you work volutarily.Read the dictionary definitions one says hireling.

@Moderators,

You sent me a mesasage saying I will be going on a short holiday when I said someone was full of sh1te. Are you also going to be sending such a message to Dave?

Looking at the link you provided, Dave:

mercenary [ˈmɜːsɪnərɪ -sɪnrɪ]
adj
1. influenced by greed or desire for gain

This is not the same as earning a salary. This is a very simple concept, but you seem to be having difficulty understand this. Earning a money for a living, or wanting to earn a better salary, does NOT imply you're a mercenary, because it does not necessarily imply greed.

So your comment "if you go and work for Tesco you're a mercenary" is completely nonsensical. I wish you would just let it drop, or admit you made a mistake, because I can guarantee you, your suggestion that someone who earns money is a mercenary is wrong.

[QPRDave]

Just worried about your health bud
Now are we not all mercenary then? Employees give a days labour in return for reward? You seemed to have overlooked this definition 1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
If you are influenced by greed are you not greedy?

[Del]

The lifestyle did not matter to him when we were offering less!

Says who exactly....? At no point has he said he's going to go to Newcastle. The fact the club have agreed a fee is irrelevant. He may have chosen to stay in London whether it was with us or another club. Besides when exactly had we offered less??? Initially we couldn't get to speak with him until the other day, when we made an offer.... i don't recall offering anything before, getting knocked back and then renegotiating. You;re talking sh1te as usual.

It cracks me up the way you spout your views on this forum as if they are fact, and choose to get into childish arguments with everyone who dares to have a difference of opinion to yours.

You have no inside knowledge of anything and yet preach as if you do. Pathetic.

[Marshy]

Just worried about your health bud
Now are we not all mercenary then? Employees give a days labour in return for reward? You seemed to have overlooked this definition 1. One who serves or works merely for monetary gain; a hireling.
If you are influenced by greed are you not greedy?

Sigh. This seems really difficult for you to understand.

Working merely for monetary gain is not the same as working for a salary. In the former, your only motivation is greed, in the latter, it is to make a living.

Anyway, look at this definition:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/mercenary

Definition of mercenary
adjective
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics:

As I said, the term mercenary exists within the context of morality/ethics. There is nothing morally wrong in earning a living. So how you can even suggest that working so you earn a salary makes you a mercenary is quite beyond me. Seriously, don't take my word for it, go and ask your wife or your boss or anyone.

[Marshy]

Says who exactly....? At no point has he said he's going to go to Newcastle. The fact the club have agreed a fee is irrelevant. He may have chosen to stay in London whether it was with us or another club. Besides when exactly had we offered less??? Initially we couldn't get to speak with him until the other day, when we made an offer.... i don't recall offering anything before, getting knocked back and then renegotiating. You;re talking sh1te as usual.

It cracks me up the way you spout your views on this forum as if they are fact, and choose to get into childish arguments with everyone who dares to have a difference of opinion to yours.

You have no inside knowledge of anything and yet preach as if you do. Pathetic.

You're going to look like a fool now. From my original post:


Queens Park Rangers are close to completing the £8m signing of Loic Remy after hijacking Newcastle's move for the France striker.
The 26-year-old had been due to arrive on Tyneside for talks on Sunday night but did not appear.
QPR matched Marseille's asking price and have now offered Remy a more lucrative contract, understood to be more than £70,000 per week.
Remy had previously indicated he would not join the Loftus Road club.
Newcastle are privately stunned by the turnaround but there is a sense that if Remy sees the QPR offer as a better deal, then this setback may ultimately prove a blessing to the club.
QPR manager Harry Redknapp believes Remy's goals may be enough to lift the club away from relegation having scouted the player a number of times this season.

This is from the BBC, which I take as quite reputable, so I assume they're correct in what they're saying.

So it clearly states he did not want to join QPR, but now a more lucrative contract has been offered, and he wants to come here now. So it seems he is following the money.

Of course, I could be wrong, and am always willing to stand corrected (like I have on Nelsen). He might not be a mercenary, he might be a boyhood fan of ours, I don't know. He might have been offered more at Newcastle but decided to take a wage-cut and come to us. I don't know. Neither do you. Yet you're trying to pass off as fact that he is not a mercenary. Hypocrite, or just full of sh1te as usual?