Julio to leave?

[SpankwiR]

I wouldn't swap him for any other keeper in the division.

Al-Habsi is a better keeper imo

[Dazzer1977]

Was reading this thread and thought it was a joke. Seriously people were thinking this only 20 days ago.

Goes to show what a bunch of weirdo's we have as so called supporters. I'd put this guy up there as one of our best keepers we've had in my 33 years of following the R's. Bold statement I know.

I believe this guy is more decorated than any other player in the Premiership. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

[Gtleighsr3]

agreed dazzer,****ing clueless ,he goes be a huge blow for us.look at last few games to see how class he is.we wouldnt get near a replacemnt as good as his left boot if he goes.

[stanistheman]

all fans are entitled to their views, but mine is that he is a top class keeper who has won some points for QPR with his saves this season. A lot of the goals he has conceded have been down to defensive errors.

He is better than Green and is up there with the all time best QPR keepers.

However, if he does go, I hope QPR get a fee for him and use this to bid for Butland.

[hh9]

Sorry but your analysis is no good without a full list of data - for example, who were the opposition and what defenders did we have playing? More practically, look back to the first ten or so games of the season and note the injuries we had at the back and the constantly changing back four. Neither keeper's goals conceded record is much use without those stats and to determine who should leave on the basis of such stats is wrong. Can you give us a shots saved to goals conceded per game ratio as well because that would make your figures a bit more analytical?
Look, I'm not saying we should keep Green over Cesar, I'm just saying your stats don't help the debate - personally, I think we should keep them both because sooner or later Julio is going to pick up a knock and there are few keepers out there I would chose over Green in those circumstances.

I would like to keep them both.
Did some more stat and all is in favour of Cesar
Cesar saves made 62 (3,0 per game) Green 20 (2,5)
Cesar against top/bottom 10/5 Green 3/5 big difference
Defenders Cesar/Green Onuoha 6/2, ferdinand 6/5, Hill 7/7, Fabio 4/5, Bozingwa 8/5, Nelsen 14/6 - nothing here in favour of Green
I believe statistic is a guiding tool - say Cisse scores 4 in 12 but Remy scores 8 in 12 - I would go for Remy

[stanistheman]

If he goes now, we will go down. If Green plays all the time he is bound to a few howlers sooner or later which will cost us PL tenure.

Yes, like the West Brom game, his debut and pre season games.

[QPR71]

the articles dated 1 jan..old news....is cesar a top goalie, yes. and the most emotive hyperbole...his family request he returns....turns out his cousin asked him
to return to play for flamengo cos he's a fan...

[ollyhoops]

I hope he stays he's a top class keeper that has saved us soo many times.

[Kirill]

Strange reactions by some posters here, as if I woke up in an alternative universe today where Green is actually a better goalkeeper than Cesar. I think I feel a poll coming on...

[Del]

At the end of the day there are always good bargain players that slip through the net of the big clubs and are missed for whatever reason. Cesar on a free transfer is one of them... .every club in the league would gladly take him tomorrow and i'd think there's only a couple where he wouldn't necessarilly become their first choice. He is class and i wouldn't be surprised if big clubs chase him in the summer, but he ain't going anywhere before then at the earliest, and i doubt anywhere then either, unless we go down.

[Bluehoop]

I would like to keep them both.
Did some more stat and all is in favour of Cesar
Cesar saves made 62 (3,0 per game) Green 20 (2,5)
Cesar against top/bottom 10/5 Green 3/5 big difference
Defenders Cesar/Green Onuoha 6/2, ferdinand 6/5, Hill 7/7, Fabio 4/5, Bozingwa 8/5, Nelsen 14/6 - nothing here in favour of Green
I believe statistic is a guiding tool - say Cisse scores 4 in 12 but Remy scores 8 in 12 - I would go for Remy

I agree H that stats are a good guide to these things and more so with your thorough follow up. I don't think they tell us more than we already knew (that Cesar is the better keeper) and yes, we should be holding on to them both. If, however, Cesar does go (and I think it's pure speculation) there aren't many keepers in the Prem that I would want us to sign to replace Green. So all in all, it's one of our least problematic spots. Fingers crossed it stays that way.
Oh by the way: that's the best stats analysis I've seen on this site since the good old days of Sir Pie Chucker.

[Timmy the Doc]

I would like to keep them both.
Did some more stat and all is in favour of Cesar
Cesar saves made 62 (3,0 per game) Green 20 (2,5)
Cesar against top/bottom 10/5 Green 3/5 big difference
Defenders Cesar/Green Onuoha 6/2, ferdinand 6/5, Hill 7/7, Fabio 4/5, Bozingwa 8/5, Nelsen 14/6 - nothing here in favour of Green
I believe statistic is a guiding tool - say Cisse scores 4 in 12 but Remy scores 8 in 12 - I would go for Remy

That is about as good statistics as we ever can read about goalkeepers.
But statistics do not tell everything. Bad goalkeepers have to make more saves than good ones.
But that is not the case here.
We need them both this season.

[stainrodisalegend]

lot of poster have seriously embarrassed themselves on this thread - one of the best keepers in the world but not good enough for qpr. really do think ive heard it all now...

[Matt]

Was reading this thread and thought it was a joke. Seriously people were thinking this only 20 days ago.

Goes to show what a bunch of weirdo's we have as so called supporters. I'd put this guy up there as one of our best keepers we've had in my 33 years of following the R's. Bold statement I know.

I believe this guy is more decorated than any other player in the Premiership. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

couldn't agree more, some people on here are mad

[nasser95]

It sickens me to see so many people posting the stupid things I have read in this thread. In terms of the percentage of points that he has won for a team with his saves relative to points total, I doubt there is anyone in the league who had done as well as him. As far as I'm concerned, if you are complaining about a Goalkeeper who was the best in the world at one point and who probably has more top division silverware than all current mid table teams put together, then I seriously would consider where your support lies. The fact of the matter is that he said that he chose QPR over Arsenal because we offered him a future beyond Goalkeeping and seeing as he has been recalled to the Brazil National team, I think he knows that his best chance of a National future is with a struggling club in a top European division because then he can be more spectacular and more noticeable.