When's Captain Park Back?

[Joon]

If thats your opinion mate then i respect it. Everyones entitled to one ......just like Fergies opinion that Park is finished and needed to be moved on a bit lively :-) He normally gets it right and lets face it..it looks as though he was right again.

Sorry, it's not my opinion. It's fact.

[vblockranger]

Sorry, it's not my opinion. It's fact.

lol no its not its just your opinion and i reckon you are wrong but hey ho we just have to agree to disagree. Time will tell i suppose (while Park claws as much money as he can from QPR while doing **** all)

[Joon]

Sorry, it is a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion.

Park voluntarily joined QPR for less money than he could have earned elsewhere. SAF wanted him to stay at Manchester United.

TF and MH initiated the transfer talks. Fergie asked Park to stay. Park told Fergie he wanted to go to QPR. Fact.

[vblockranger]

Sorry, it is a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion.

Park voluntarily joined QPR for less money than he could have earned elsewhere. SAF wanted him to stay at Manchester United. Fact.

how can it be a fact if its just you saying it?

Fergie got rid of Park. Fact.
Park was not in Sir Alec's plans at United. Fact.
He is finished as a workhorse prem player. Fact
Never been the same after his last injury. Fact
Its easy to claim something is a fact by writing the word fact after it. Fact

[vblockranger]

"Park was allowed to leave because he was incapable of performing to the required standard anymore - as best typified by his anonymous and largely ineffectual display in the Manchester derby at the end of last season - but if anything, that merely highlights the role's importance for the future."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/07/10/3232151/manchester-united-bid-farewell-to-park-ji-sung-sir-alex

"allowed to leave" = get rid of at the right time at the right terms to benefit United.

[Joon]

how can it be a fact if its just you saying it?

Fergie got rid of Park. Fact.
Park was not in Sir Alec's plans at United. Fact.
He is finished as a workhorse prem player. Fact
Never been the same after his last injury. Fact
Its easy to claim something is a fact by writing the word fact after it. Fact

My statement is fact because it is just me reiterating well-documented fact. Here's another article since you don't like the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/261542

Does not matter how many times you repeat a false statement, it does not become fact. It's useless to repeat it without corroborating evidence.

[vblockranger]

My statement is fact because it is just me reiterating well-documented fact. Here's another article since you don't like the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/261542

Does not matter how many times you repeat a false statement, it does not become fact. It's useless to repeat it without corroborating evidence.

paper talk mate..as is

"Park was allowed to leave because he was incapable of performing to the required standard anymore - as best typified by his anonymous and largely ineffectual display in the Manchester derby at the end of last season - but if anything, that merely highlights the role's importance for the future."

dont cry about it tho :-)
if you want i will just agree with you secretly knowing deep down that Fergie got rid of him because he was finished at United...just say the word :-)
Fergie replaced him with a younger more skillful version...its what he does. Fact. (now you got me doing it)

[Joon]

"Park was allowed to leave because he was incapable of performing to the required standard anymore - as best typified by his anonymous and largely ineffectual display in the Manchester derby at the end of last season - but if anything, that merely highlights the role's importance for the future."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/07/10/3232151/manchester-united-bid-farewell-to-park-ji-sung-sir-alex

"allowed to leave" = get rid of at the right time at the right terms to benefit United.

The article you linked praised Park from start to finish. You opted to take one paragraph that said he was "allowed" to leave because he was not as invaluable to the club as he had been. The article did not state that Park was not wanted or needed at Manchester United, it was saying that Manchester United could afford to let him go. That's a very big difference. Here is the article for everyone to read, since you chose to misquote it.

Park Ji-Sung's transfer from Manchester United to QPR has signalled the end of an era of sorts; the decline and subsequent dearth of hard-working midfield talent at the club is now more noticeable than ever.

As they head into the new campaign, bidding to wrestle back control of the league title from bitter rivals and perennial noisy neighbours Manchester City, the shape of their midfield lacks not only energy, but conviction.

Many words have been used to describe Park in the aftermath of his sale - tireless, industrious, enterprising - and all sum up not only the man in question but exactly the qualities the middle of the club's midfield now sorely lack.

Affectionately nicknamed 'Three-Lung Park' on the terraces, the 31-year-old South Korean endeared himself to the loyal fanbase during a trophy-laden seven-year spell at Old Trafford, and he remained the perfect example of what every title-winning team requires: the dynamic and versatile squad player.

PARK: THE PROFILE
The new QPR signing's career to date
Disciplined, tactically aware and hugely underrated as a footballer, Park's influence often came in the most important of games, finding the back of the net five times in eight starts against Arsenal, and famously proving a thorn in the side of Andrea Pirlo at the San Siro back in 2010 against AC Milan, as the side battled to a momentous and historic victory.

It begs the question, does Ferguson still have that sort of big-game player in his squad?

The clamour for a glamour signing over the past few years has been tangible - the likes of Sneijder, Ozil and Hazard have all opted for different clubs, been priced out of moves or have slipped through the miserly fingers of the wily old Scot in recent times.

Applying a dash of glitz to proceedings is akin to covering a gaping wound with a plaster, it merely papers over the cracks, without addressing the root cause of what the wider problems really are - issues that are now in danger of bordering on the systemic.

The continued and prolonged absence of Darren Fletcher provides a cause for concern after being laid low by ulcerative colitis for the best part of the last two seasons. The 28-year-old Scotland international was quickly becoming the energetic hub of the Manchester United engine room and his bustling presence has certainly been missed.

His long-term future remains up in the air and plans have to be made for the worst case scenario, his premature retirement from football.

MAN IN THE MIDDLE

PARK'S RECORD AT MANCHESTER UNITED
GAMES PLAYED
GOALS
ASSISTS
MAJOR HONOURS
205
27
22
11
The last genuinely great and truly world-class side Ferguson had the pleasure of managing was back in 2007-08, with Owen Hargreaves as the busy and quietly efficient driving force alongside Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick in midfield, adding the graft to the flame-haired maestro's craft and the latter's languid ball-playing stylings.

Much like with Fletcher, though, a combination of rotten luck and a penchant for the treatment table put paid to any hopes Ferguson may have harboured of a somewhat permanent solution to his midfield conundrum, with Hargreaves struck down by a debilitating and chronic knee injury.

The over-reliance that the side still has on both Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes is also worrying. A few facts to throw your way – Giggs and Scholes currently have a combined age of 75; they have 1605 first-team appearances, 317 goals and 57 team honours between them. In short, they are tantamount to irreplaceable.

Ferguson will not be able to retire safe in the knowledge that he has left the club in the best shape possible until they are successfully replaced, for his legacy, to an extent, will prove incomplete otherwise.

Park remained the last bastion to the throwback sides of yesteryear, the sort of sides that Ferguson built his reputation on. Players like Keane, Ince and Robson harried the opposition with a ferocious hunger off the ball that bordered on the maniacal.

Far too often now, games can simply pass the somewhat pedestrian United midfield by, and they can be bested and bullied by a more aggressive opponent.

WALK IN THE PARK
9/4 Manchester United are 9/4 with Sportingbet to win the 2012-13 Premier League
The likes of Rooney, Nani and Kagawa may leave the casual observer salivating at the mouth with their magnificence over the course of next season, but without the necessary platform to allow the more creative players to perform, a place at Europe's top table will continue to elude Ferguson and his charges.

Firepower has never been a problem at Old Trafford, neither has confidence or creating chances, but the desire to win the ball back and do it quickly has faded and to their detriment.

It may not be the flashiest of positions, the midfield enforcer or the man-marking marvel, but they are often just as key to the smooth running of any successful side on the biggest stage; a cog in the machine as it were and it's what the current side requires above all else.

Park was allowed to leave because he was incapable of performing to the required standard anymore - as best typified by his anonymous and largely ineffectual display in the Manchester derby at the end of last season - but if anything, that merely highlights the role's importance for the future.

Park was a big-game player, a man for the grand occasion, no matter what the role or formation he was asked to go out and perform in. He was an integral part of Ferguson's battle plans and will be missed just as much for what he represented as opposed to what he actually was still.

[Stanley]

"Park was allowed to leave because he was incapable of performing to the required standard anymore - as best typified by his anonymous and largely ineffectual display in the Manchester derby at the end of last season - but if anything, that merely highlights the role's importance for the future."

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2012/07/10/3232151/manchester-united-bid-farewell-to-park-ji-sung-sir-alex

"allowed to leave" = get rid of at the right time at the right terms to benefit United.

But the FACT is that was only James McManus' OPINION

[vblockranger]

But the FACT is that was only James McManus OPINION

exactly...its all about opinions including the journo's who make all this stuff up. Joon seems to think he knows the "facts" :-)..its opinions! and he doesnt like the ones that say Fergie got rid of Park and replaced him at the right time beneficial to United.

[vblockranger]

The article you linked praised Park from start to finish. You opted to take one paragraph that said he was "allowed" to leave because he was not as invaluable to the club as he had been. The article did not state that Park was not wanted or needed at Manchester United, it was saying that Manchester United could afford to let him go. That's a very big difference. Here is the article for everyone to read, since you chose to misquote it.

Park is praised because he has been a model proffessional, cant take that away from him. He would run until his heart burst for Sir Alex and he loved him for it. He was "allowed" to leave because he was unable to do that anymore and has been replaced by a similar player with maybe a bit more skill and technique. United and Sir Alec have come out of the deal where they normally do on deals such as this...on top and smoking a big fat cigar.

[Hitman34]

in short, if park was that good he would still be at man utd.

[HoopDoggyDogg]

Park, could have stayed at Man Utd but wanted regular football.
Fergie would have kept him but didn't want to stand in the way of a player that had never let Man Utd down when called upon and couldn't guarantee him a regular place in the Matchday Squads this season.
That is the Real Truth about why he was allowed to go!!!

Most Man Utd Fans were shocked when Park was allowed to go as was a player that always gave 100%, he done his job when called upon and was highly rated for them.

[vblockranger]

in short, if park was that good he would still be at man utd.

fact.

:-)

[Joon]

But the FACT is that was only James McManus' OPINION

It was James McManus' opinion that Manchester United, by force of law, did not prevent Park from transferring to QPR as he wanted, because he was no longer indispensible. They could have legally bound him to stay, but they did not go that far -- SAF only "asked" him to stay but could not promise the amount of game time he wanted.

So, the fact is that SAF asked him to stay on for a smaller role than he had in previous years, and that Park left Manchester United by his own volition despite SAF's request.