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  • Problems more fundamental than just a striker

    JM hit it on the head when he said the players looked like they hoped they would win rather than expected to win.

    This is something I do not understand about the Rs. We never dominate games (consistently) and never seem to look like we actually believe we will win. This has been the case since probably our Premiership days. Even in our promotion season we were unconvincing a lot of the time and fortunate we were in a poor League One.

    We have a solid defence and, on paper anyway, one of the best midfields in this division. Even if we aren't sticking our chances away we should be controlling games. This does not happen and isn't a new problem.

    At least JM recognises the problem. I for one can't get my head around it. We should be running rings around the teams we have played this season so far, bar maybe Brizzle as to be fair them away is a tough fixture. Some of it may be down to the atmosphere at home games. Has to be said Rs fans do moan a lot! For younger players in particular it must be intimidating when you haven't even got your own fans on side. That is not the whole story though.

    Sorry but with our current squad we should be aiming for play offs. As it stands it looks likely we will not score in half our games again which is a disgrace and end up scraping results or losing by the odd goal. This is not all about having a goal poacher although such would help to an extent. It is about engendering a winning mentality. Countless managers have tried and failed.

    The closest we ever came to that winning mentality was under LDC and the forward play under him and even then we managed to sometimes let ourselves down with questionable defending and conceding late goals. But we looked dangerous going forward and played some great stuff. All we needed to do at that point was stiffen the defence and we would have been top 6. Instead we have gone backwards despite signing some good players.

    Even up front although we don't have an out and out goalscorer we do have some reasonable players. Vine running from deep is capable of terrifying most defences. Not much point playing him as out and out striker as that nullifies his positives but in my view one of the best front players we have had in a long time. Aggey is a good impact sub. Pelican who knows? Not made it in Italy top flight but could do alright. Heidar is technically quite good but needs to toughen up and get stuck in.

    We have probably on any given day 8 players out of 11 who would expect to get a starting place in any team in the division. That should enough.

    Anyway that in my view is the problem. As for the solution fark knows.

  • #2
    that's all about confidence .. would imagine it's rock bottom at the moment.
    Remember Gillard!!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by abbeylands View Post
      that's all about confidence .. would imagine it's rock bottom at the moment.
      which is also the place we got our manager from.

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      • #4
        That's where good leadership comes in.A good general will motivate his troops.It's time for the sporting direction of the club to be defined and some strong leadership to be shown.

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        • #5
          Furtive Fox wrote:
          "The closest we ever came to that winning mentality was under LDC and the forward play under him and even then we managed to sometimes let ourselves down with questionable defending and conceding late goals. But we looked dangerous going forward and played some great stuff. All we needed to do at that point was stiffen the defence and we would have been top 6. Instead we have gone backwards despite signing some good players.

          Even up front although we don't have an out and out goalscorer we do have some reasonable players. Vine running from deep is capable of terrifying most defences. Not much point playing him as out and out striker as that nullifies his positives but in my view one of the best front players we have had in a long time."


          Vine was crucial to the good attacking play under LDC -- the combo of him, Buzz, Hogan and Pat was one which fitted perfectly like a jigsaw puzzle -- which is the secret of a good team. Sometimes players like Pat, and to a certain extent, Hogan, can look poor if they're with the wrong players, but, with the right players around them, can do a really good job.
          That's why I was so gobsmacked at the rumour that Vine and Hogan were part of the Beckford package -- will someone with a DVD of the season before last lend it to JM and point out just what these players can do IF THEY'RE ON THE PITCH????
          And, you're right, those people who don't rate Vine because he doesn't score goals (including our board, apparently), don't seem to realise that not all forwards score goals -- his role is essential in supporting the man who does -- whenever we get one.
          Faurlin is my hero!!! Love him!!! #########

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          • #6
            Vine was at his best under LDC playing wide left not upfront

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            • #7
              Originally posted by baz View Post
              Vine was at his best under LDC playing wide left not upfront
              Exactly! So why are people so keen to portray him as surplus because he doesn't score enough goals? Up front is not his position.
              He's a maker, not a taker.
              He actually performs best given a free rein, where he pops up where the oppo is least expecting him -- which is what he was doing well.
              Faurlin is my hero!!! Love him!!! #########

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              • #8
                Vine had a really bad injury
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                • #9
                  Vine is, sadly, not the player he was. I am hoping this is temporary not permanent. We seem to have such bad luck at QPR with serious injuries to creative players.

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                  • #10
                    Rowly is undervalued. We need him back and injury free to have a chance of the playoffs. We also need to find our future Rowly.

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                    • #11
                      We also need to find our future Rowly
                      Maybe, just maybe, he made his home debut on Saturday

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lord Charles View Post
                        Maybe, just maybe, he made his home debut on Saturday
                        Could be.
                        Only time will tell.
                        Faurlin is my hero!!! Love him!!! #########

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                        • #13
                          Simple ... the longer we go without decent strikers who can stick the ball in the back of the net.. the more it's likely that our confidence will continue to fall

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                          • #14
                            But that is why a manager needs to man manage players! Its no good shouting at them, sometimes players need to be worked on in training, good coaching, and installing confidence and belief...

                            That was the reason why Vine, Ephraim, Agyemang and Buzsaky were class under LDC, he worked and got the best out of them and got them playing...

                            i'm still gutted LDC left....... :(

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