Goalkeepers

[Del]

This Green love in is laughable considering the slating most gamve him, quite rightly, for some ludicrously poor mistakes when he last played for a run of games.

We have picked up points recently but that's more to do wiuth Harry than Green. Yes he's made some good saves but he's also made errors.... I said in another post the other day, he should've saved the Villa goal. He chose to go with both hands instead of just his left, which reduced his reach capability and he failed to get the shot round the post... for that to happen when he got 2 hands to it is poor. If he'd gone with one hand he'd have got more on the ball and surely saved it.

And as for Saturday, Fulham weren't in the game at all and for the majority, or at least the first 75 mins he had nothing to concern him. Even so, he still managed to create a farcical situation which they should've scored form and we'd have been 1-0 down. Not only was the pass to Onouha or Nelsen a wrong decision as they had a player right on their back, but then when it came back to him he fluffed the clearence, and then compounded it further by falling on his ar53. It was nothing short of shocking.

For people to want him instead of Cesar is for me mindboggling, but each to their own. As for commanding his box i don't see him do that any more than Cesar, and he looks very uncomfortable every time a ball is played back to him also.

[3London]

I'd play Both.

Cesar to stop the shots and green to catch the crosses!

There is no doubt that ceasar is the better keeper but green is in in the chair at the moment and in the last 4 games he has done well and if it ain't broke don't fix it!

[Robsondinho]

No way on this earth is Green a better goalkeeper the Cesar. His record speaks for its self, a champions league winner, seria A winner, Uefa teams of the year awards, Brazils number 1 up until recently, and probably still in the top 10 goal keepers in the world. Rob green has played for Norwich, West Ham, and us, and has won nothing except a play off final and a championship winners medal. Awful for England when he has played. At the moment he is playing OK and probably be unfair to drop him, but at the same time surely Cesar has got to be our number 1.

[QPRob]

on saturday i dont remember seeing many short passes from green and when he did he didnt look comfortable. He also tried to reach SWP with some goal kicks and clearances that SWP never won and we lost possesion. Everytime cesar is in goal and has the ball i notice he always demands the lb & rb come right back into the corners so as we can play it out from the back. We look effective when it is played out from defence to samba or ali and more recently mbia to take forward.

[silvercue]

Green had two full hands on the goal Villa scored and they just folded and the ball went in. Sorry - he has big mistakes in him and in the few games he has had for us we have already seen that - including since he came back into the team.

It's great that he has had some good games, but a keeper with so many mistakes in him costs you points, probably more than any other player. Too risky.

Cesar is a better keeper IMO.

[MattyRangers]

Green had two full hands on the goal Villa scored and they just folded and the ball went in. Sorry - he has big mistakes in him and in the few games he has had for us we have already seen that - including since he came back into the team.

It's great that he has had some good games, but a keeper with so many mistakes in him costs you points, probably more than any other player. Too risky.

Cesar is a better keeper IMO.

No offence silver but I think you need to go and watch that goal again - not sure what clip you've seen.

What about Vaz Te's goal against Cesar though? Or Pog's for Reading in the Carling Cup game? Both very sloppy goals from Cesar's point of view. Again, reiterating I do like Cesar and he is a great shot stopper, but I don't like the way he is exempt from criticism because he is a glamorous name that's come from a big club.

[silvercue]

No offence silver but I think you need to go and watch that goal again - not sure what clip you've seen.

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I was sat in LSE that side of the goal, a few yards from him. I had as good a view as anyone in the stadium and better than 90%. I am sure you were not as close.

[Stanley]

Impossible to say whether Cesar would have saved Holman's shot. If thats the worst you can blame Green for then youre really clutching at straws. It was a very powerfully struck shot into the bottom corner and through a big crowd of players, so Green probably only saw it late too.

Bottom line - Harry will stand by Green until he lets him down.

[jmelanie]

Harry has said several times that he rates Green as a goalkeeper so do not think he will drop him.

[MattyRangers]

I was sat in LSE that side of the goal, a few yards from him. I had as good a view as anyone in the stadium and better than 90%. I am sure you were not as close.

Not sure how that matters (for the record I was in SA Road Block B row C so had a fairly good view myself) - but the numerous TV replays that showed it clear as day show he really didnt have any chance for that. He was at full stretch and barely managed a finger tip to it. Unless he was 6ft 9 he wouldnt have saved that. And no way would Cesar.

Impossible to say whether Cesar would have saved Holman's shot. If thats the worst you can blame Green for then youre really clutching at straws. It was a very powerfully struck shot into the bottom corner and through a big crowd of players, so Green probably only saw it late too.

Bottom line - Harry will stand by Green until he lets him down.

Spot on with the bolded comments. And rightly so regards the last sentance. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

[Snaxo]

Impossible to say whether Cesar would have saved Holman's shot. If thats the worst you can blame Green for then youre really clutching at straws. It was a very powerfully struck shot into the bottom corner and through a big crowd of players, so Green probably only saw it late too.

Bottom line - Harry will stand by Green until he lets him down.

If that's aimed at my initial comment then it's not the worst I could 'blame' him for (though I don't like just looking to aportion blame all the time) it's just the most recent I can remember, and should he have saved it - as the final score was 1-1, there's a fair chance we might have won the game. Speculation at best, granted. He made some very worrying errors in pre-season also, in particular. But with all that said I 100% agree with your last point, and rightly so.

[silvercue]

There was a thread about the goal at the time and opinion was divided. Opinion will be divided about Green or Cesar too. I would have Cesar every time. Harry may well have Green and I suspect that he will. That isn't the end of the world as they are both decent keepers.

My only fear is that Green plays really well but drops clangers on a very regular basis. West Ham fans will tell you that.

[MattyRangers]

Yea it's a subject that people will never agree on, everyone has different opinions and their own reasons for those opinions.

For example: Legs or breasts - what do you prefer?

I, personally, am more a breast man. Im a right snob with chicken and bdont particularly like it off the bone.

[Del]

No offence silver but I think you need to go and watch that goal again - not sure what clip you've seen.

What about Vaz Te's goal against Cesar though? Or Pog's for Reading in the Carling Cup game? Both very sloppy goals from Cesar's point of view. Again, reiterating I do like Cesar and he is a great shot stopper, but I don't like the way he is exempt from criticism because he is a glamorous name that's come from a big club.

He had Vaz Te's shot dealt with unitl it was deflected about 3 feet in front of him and he had no chance to react to the deflection. This was done to death at the time. Some fans still said "he should have covered the near post in case it was deflected anyway" that's clutching at straws. Equivelent to saying the fulham keeper was at fault for Adel's first on Saturday as he didn't account for a possible deflection.

Ref Pogs goal... can't recall 100%, but wasnt he on the near post when the ball came across, and he back heeled it unexpectedly just inside the far post and he couldn't get across in time.... i'm not sure there can be any real fault for that goal either.

[Del]

For me there's only been 1 goal that Cesar was at fault for and i think it may have been Reading in the league when a ball went through his arms. Other than that he's been top drawer imo. Also at a time we've been non existent in defence also at times and he's kept our GD where it is.