All is not lost - Doubters please read

[silvercue]

Reading look like the worst team in the league to me and I think they will go.

Where I struggle a bit is that all the other teams, bar Sunderland, seem to have goals in them. Sunderland have a decent manager, so could easily fight their way out of trouble. It's all well and good saying we have plenty of time, but we are cut adrift and although Harry has stedied the ship - we had a run of three relatively easy games and still failed to win one, even with the "new manager factor".

Also, the pressure of no wins is effecting the players and their decision making. The nervous atmposphere from the crowd is tangible. I thought Harry's first game at home woule be electric, but, but the atmosphere was flat and it was mostly very quiet and tense. This is not going to help.

[Yousef]

After every game that passes we fail to win in the heat of the moment I say to myself "great, Champioship here we come" but then come the Tuesday or Wednesday I have a renewed optimism and convince myself that we will win the next game and begin our fightback!

haha exactly my feeling Matty!

[Gerryhatrick]

Its great to be optimistic, but I've not yet seen enough improvement in form to tell me that we can move up the table. We thought that with the help of TF we could buy ourselves out of trouble, and maybe some hope we can still do this in Jan, but I doubt it now. Throwing more money at it doesn't create a team ethic, it just seems to attract players interested in financial rewards but with no fight in them. We need at least 2 wins before the end of December for me to think their might be a glimmer of hope.

[DouDou_87]

15 Southampton16 -10 15
16 Aston Villa 16 -11 15
17 Wigan 16 -13 15
18 Sunderland 15 -7 13
19 Reading 15 -9 9
20 QPR 16 -16 7

6 team mini League IMO where we're 8 points off safety- which takes 3 games to make up working on the principle the teams above us don't win in those 3 games. 22 games left where we'll need to win at least 10 to have a chance of staying up. That's a win every other game.

We will not win 10 games this season.

[MattyRangers]

15 Southampton16 -10 15
16 Aston Villa 16 -11 15
17 Wigan 16 -13 15
18 Sunderland 15 -7 13
19 Reading 15 -9 9
20 QPR 16 -16 7

6 team mini League IMO where we're 8 points off safety- which takes 3 games to make up working on the principle the teams above us don't win in those 3 games. 22 games left where we'll need to win at least 10 to have a chance of staying up. That's a win every other game.

We will not win 10 games this season .

How do you know that?

[DouDou_87]

How do you know that?

Because we haven't got a team capable of winning 10 Premier League games between now and the end of the season IMO.

I've seen enough this season to know that teams find it very easy to defend against us and at the same time find it very easy to open us up.

Can you see us getting 10 wins this season and if so, against who?

[Del]

I doubt anyone would've said we could beat Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal last season either..... norwich, as per my comment above were shocking, and have since beaten Man Utd and Arsenal amongst others..... who would've seen that?

The point is nobody knows anything yet. Every season there are teams who start like a house on fire and then slump with a similarly poor run we've had... years ago Middlesbrough were flying then lost about 11 in a row and got relegated and lost both cup finals, more recently, Blackpool started well then slumped... there are many others. I still think West ham will hit a wall after their honeymoon period ends.

[MattyRangers]

Because we haven't got a team capable of winning 10 Premier League games between now and the end of the season IMO.

I've seen enough this season to know that teams find it very easy to defend against us and at the same time find it very easy to open us up.

Can you see us getting 10 wins this season and if so, against who?

Fair enough, only asked as you stated it like it was a fact thats all.

On paper its impossible to sit and list out specific wins - we will lose some we think we should win and we will no doubt win some we probably dont think we will, exactly as we did last season

Just looking through the fixtures at a glance though I think we are more than capable of beating Southampton, Reading & Swansea away as well as Sunderland, Villa, WBA, Norwich, & Wigan at home. There is nothing saying we need 10 wins to stay up anyway, all of these numbers banded about are meaningless IMO, its quite simple: we need more points / same points & a better GD than 3 other teams come the end of the season. Whether that be 29 points or 40 points.

Personally I think we have a mountain to climb, dont get me wrong Im not here tryna say all is rosy and we'reguna stay up at all - just that I dont think we can write us off as down & out just yet, as last season showed, unless we are mathematically down, anything is possible. This is QPR after all - we dont like doing things the easy way!

[DouDou_87]

That's fair enough Matty.

I understand that you can't list specific wins, but at the same time I also think that's a sign of where we are. If we could genuinely get out of this mess, if we really thought we had a team capable of competing at this level, we'd say games like Sunderland, Wigan, Norwich at home would be wins- all day long. But we can't.

We're a soft touch and I'd go as far as to say that home or away, every team we play against thinks they've got a pretty good chance of beating us.

Every team knows how much we need to win and every team uses that against us. I predict we'll end up with a hell of a lot of draws and about 30 points come May.

[silvercue]

Ifs, buts and maybes.

We all know we can stay up, just like we can go down. Do you think we WILL stay up? I am thinking it increasingly unlikely and I would not put money on it for sure. HR joining is a good thing, but probably too late. If we had had that new manager factor, like Sunderland had, and won the last 3 I would be convinced we would stay up. But yet again we have failed to beat anyone in as easy a run of fixtures as we will get for a long time.

We can list matches we are capable of winning, but most thougt we would win one of the last three too.

[MYU]

In all honesty the Villa game kind of got me prepared for relegation, dawned on me that it seems to be in the stars for us to go down this year, however good the players we brought in (or at least how good we thought they were!).

After every game that passes we fail to win in the heat of the moment I say to myself "great, Champioship here we come" but then come the Tuesday or Wednesday I have a renewed optimism and convince myself that we will win the next game and begin our fightback! Until we are mathematically down, I will always find some optimism and tell myself we will survive. Think its probably a case of head telling me to be a realist and accept we will probably go down by the heart fighting off that thought and telling me we're QPR and we do things the hard way!

It is just the way we do it that we will have a shocking run and not win a game for a few more games, even the most optimictic fans we will accept we're down and then we will pull some crazy form out the back, beat a few big boys and pull off a great escape :drunk:

It's a good post, I think your not the only one.

[acricketer]

Last season there was a 16 game period (from end of November to beginning of March) where we also earned only 7 points.

The run read:

P16 W1 D4 L11 Pts 7

Possible to go on a run of 16 games, only get 7 points, and still stay up.

Add the next 3 games and we went 19 games with only 10 points. Half the season.

[MYU]

Last season there was a 16 game period (from end of November to beginning of March) where we also earned only 7 points.

The run read:

P16 W1 D4 L11 Pts 7

Possible to go on a run of 16 games, only get 7 points, and still stay up.

Add the next 3 games and we went 19 games with only 10 points. Half the season.

We will do it and Harry will make sure we do, there is a big pay off at the end of the tunnel.

[Pal]

Just image If Taarabt had scored that sitter against Reading. What difference it would have made?

Or if SWP had hit the inside of the post against Villa and it had gone in off the keeper.
Or if the Reading keeper hadn't been on world class form.
Or if that Granero free kick that hit the bar had gone in.

We can't do anything about the luck we've had, but we can do a lot to influence the luck we will have.

Who was it who said the harder I work the luckier I get?

[acricketer]

Who was it who said the harder I work the luckier I get?

Gary Player - South African golfer who played in the 1960s to 90s