The thread to end all threads about Koreans following particular football players

[Norths]

I think it all boils down to the fact the comment was made about the player they support, had it been said about Hill for example, they wouldnt bat an eyelid.

[Snaxo]

That is why, when dealing with the written word, if you find something offensive it is often best to qualify it out by questioning the communicator first, to see if the offence was meant or whether it was simply poor communication or a lack of cultural understanding (the dog**** comment for example). If it's the latter, the person offended does have to be prepared to understand the culture of the person who made it and the fact that to them it has no such offensive meaning.

[bonheurjh]

WHO CARES ABOUT RACE AND ALL THAT. LETS END THIS STUPID ARGUMENT! YOU WILL ONLY SPOIL YOUR MOOD IF YOU KEEP TIT-FOR-TAT LIKE THIS!!!

[Snaxo]

True Bon, but at the same time, perhaps this thread (as originally intended) is an opportunity to get things out in the open, learn, clear the air, adjust and the move forward together more positively ?

[Norths]

That is why, when dealing with the written word, if you find something offensive it is often best to qualify it out by questioning the communicator first, to see if the offence was meant or whether it was simply poor communication or a lack of cultural understanding (the dog**** comment for example). If it's the latter, the person offended does have to be prepared to understand the culture of the person who made it and the fact that to them it has no such offensive meaning.

I agree mate, the way seoul man went about it accusing him of being a racist on the original thread was the wrong way to go about it.

[Joon]

But why would any of this happen? there has been no racist reports when Koreans or anyone else has visited the ground? And i stress using the word dog**** is not a racist comment in this country and is not used with racial undertones in any post present on this forum. Why do you see racism when there isnt any? i think its a weakness in certain cultures (and no i am not being racist...sigh)

vblockranger, you said in a post above that you have never used the term ******** with racist intent and I believe you. Your word is good enough for me. I knew that you yourself most likely did not mean it with malicious intent, but it's another thing to say that it would still not have been a racist remark even if you meant it to be. Ask all persons who experienced racism, it's all about intent.

@ Snaxo, thanks for your posts. I know that intent cannot be proven nor forum policy enforced when the intent is not clear, I was just riled up because I'm being told that something said with racist intention cannot be classified a racist remark as long as it's in a different language forum, even when malicious racist intent was clearly there.

[Snaxo]

I agree mate, the way seoul man went about it accusing him of being a racist on the original thread was the wrong way to go about it.

Indeed.

[vblockranger]

I agree mate, the way seoul man went about it accusing him of being a racist on the original thread was the wrong way to go about it.

and just to clear the air again...In no way was my use of the word dog**** meant to confer racial undertones. And again in no way does my further use of the word dog**** contain any kind of racist undertones towards anybody. Its a word used in everyday language especially after my missus attempts her Lasagne recipe. :-)

[Norths]

vblockranger, you said in a post above that you have never used the term ******** with racist intent and I believe you. Your word is good enough for me. I knew that you yourself most likely did not mean it with malicious intent, but it's another thing to say that it would still not have been a racist remark even if you meant it to be. Ask all persons who experienced racism, it's all about intent.

@ Snaxo, thanks for your posts. I know that intent cannot be proven nor forum policy enforced when the intent is not clear, I was just riled up because I'm being told that something said with racist intention cannot be classified a racist remark as long as it's in a different language forum, even when malicious racist intent was clearly there.

So joon you now understand that if the word is used to describe the performance, or lack of, of a player (including Park) it is not intended as offensive to any particular person other than the player?

[bonheurjh]

and just to clear the air again...In no way was my use of the word dog**** meant to confer racial undertones. And again in no way does my further use of the word dog**** contain any kind of racist undertones towards anybody. Its a word used in everyday language especially after my missus attempts her Lasagne recipe. :-)

its not racism. dog**** or kitten****, bull**** all mean the same and we all know that.

Besides, I've hardly seen a korean eaten dog. If we are to talk about dog-eating, whale-eating, insects-eating, shark-eating etc, theres no end to it.

[swivvler]

To call a spade a spade
It is evident that the word spade refers to the instrument used to move earth, a very common tool.
It may originate from etnicity, but it aint meant that way, and few people understand its origin!
However it is part of our language, "i dig the garden with a spade."
No i havent got a black bloke helping me!
ITS A SPADE!
AND THIS TOPIC IS DOG****E!
Whatever that means!!!


“Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.”

[bonheurjh]

vblockranger, you said in a post above that you have never used the term ******** with racist intent and I believe you. Your word is good enough for me. I knew that you yourself most likely did not mean it with malicious intent, but it's another thing to say that it would still not have been a racist remark even if you meant it to be. Ask all persons who experienced racism, it's all about intent.

@ Snaxo, thanks for your posts. I know that intent cannot be proven nor forum policy enforced when the intent is not clear, I was just riled up because I'm being told that something said with racist intention cannot be classified a racist remark as long as it's in a different language forum, even when malicious racist intent was clearly there.

vblock 이 사람 원래술좋아하고천성이조금난폭한전형적인영국인이에요. 지브릴시세가못했을때는프랑스인조크로 가끔 문제되고하는데나쁜사람은 아니에요.원래영국가면그냥거친농담하는아저씨들많잖아요.그렇게생각하고화푸세요. 띄어쓰기는일부러안했어요.구글번역기돌려서이해할까봐요.준씨가이해하세요 ^ ^

[bonheurjh]

To call a spade a spade
It is evident that the word spade refers to the instrument used to move earth, a very common tool.
It may originate from etnicity, but it aint meant that way, and few people understand its origin!
However it is part of our language, "i dig the garden with a spade."
No i havent got a black bloke helping me!
ITS A SPADE!
AND THIS TOPIC IS DOG****E!
Whatever that means!!!


“Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.”

We all share the same colour, blue hoops

[Joon]

So joon you now understand that if the word is used to describe the performance, or lack of, of a player (including Park) it is not intended as offensive to any particular person other than the player?

We must be on a loop or something, because I think I made myself clear when I said even the most innocent or common of words can be used as a racist comment if the writer or speaker uses it with such intention.

So, no. It is not true that the word ******** is never a racist remark. It is not a racist remark when simply describing the performance of a player. However, when it is intentionally used with racist intentions to demean a player of a particular ethnicity (in this case Korean), it becomes a racist comment. Of course, on the internet it is difficult to determine one's intentions, as Snaxo pointed out and I concurred.

Are we clear? Or do you still think language trumps intent? Before you answer, please think about how many languages you speak fluently.

[SammyKojoe]

We must be on a loop or something, because I think I made myself clear when I said even the most innocent or common of words can be used as a racist comment if the writer or speaker uses it with such intention.

So, no. It is not true that the word ******** is never a racist remark. It is not a racist remark when simply describing the performance of a player. However, when it is intentionally used with racist intentions to demean a player of a particular ethnicity (in this case Korean), it becomes a racist comment. Of course, on the internet it is difficult to determine one's intentions, as Snaxo pointed out and I concurred.

Are we clear? Or do you still think language trumps intent? Before you answer, please think about how many languages you speak fluently.

You should send your posts to a medical institute. Another cure for Insomnia has been found.