Granero was poor? Are people for real (no pun intended)?

[vblockranger]

The new Ray Wilkins, sideways and back to the defender passes. So far nothing special imo.

[brightonr]

The new Ray Wilkins, sideways and back to the defender passes. So far nothing special imo.

Right-angle Ray as he was called.

[silvercue]

i think saying that people are slagging a player off is a little hyperbole, i think youre entitled to say someone has played poorly without slagging him off

Yes you are. However, I was refferring specifically to people saying he gave the ball away lots when the stats proove that he didn't - so people are talking rubbish. It's like saying that Cisse scored 2 goals last night - the stats proove that he didn't. I fully understand that stats can be used and don;t always tell the whole truth, but in this case they proove that the point is horsesh1t.

Say what you want if you think he played badly, but evidence it with something that isn;t actually factually incorrect.

[brightonr]

Yes you are. However, I was refferring specifically to people saying he gave the ball away lots when the stats proove that he didn't - so people are talking rubbish. It's like saying that Cisse scored 2 goals last night - the stats proove that he didn't. I fully understand that stats can be used and don;t always tell the whole truth, but in this case they proove that the point is horsesh1t.

Say what you want if you think he played badly, but evidence it with something that isn;t actually factually incorrect.

That's gonna take some working out.

[MYU]

Let's see how he does next game, I would love him to score.

[Rangers77]

The new Ray Wilkins, sideways and back to the defender passes. So far nothing special imo.

We should be so lucky as to have a new Ray Wilkins....... As player, not manager, mind.

[Rousdon Rangers]

it help if the midfield had someone up front to pass to, least of our worries the midfield

[willis1980]

Yes you are. However, I was refferring specifically to people saying he gave the ball away lots when the stats proove that he didn't - so people are talking rubbish. It's like saying that Cisse scored 2 goals last night - the stats proove that he didn't. I fully understand that stats can be used and don;t always tell the whole truth, but in this case they proove that the point is horsesh1t.

Say what you want if you think he played badly, but evidence it with something that isn;t actually factually incorrect.

for someone who is occupied with accuracy and facts, youll see that i never said he gave the ball away lots or slagged him off i merely said that i thought he looked poor last night.

[silvercue]

for someone who is occupied with accuracy and facts, youll see that i never said he gave the ball away lots or slagged him off i merely said that i thought he looked poor last night.

Yes I know that - if you read my reply properly you should be able to work that out.

[Del]

Granero is a very good player.

The fact osme of our fans are slating him is a little crazy imo. Even when the team as a collective has been poor, i thin khe's always looked comfortable, composed, creates space for himself in crowded areas with good skill and tight turns, and normally always picks out a Rangers player. I also think it's a bit harsh to say he's one of these players who only goes sidewaysa and back.... on the contrary i think he looks for a forward pass more often than not, but if one's not on, he does what he needs to to help build the play and retain posession. THIS IS NOT A BAD THING!

There has also been a lack of forward options for the midfield to be creative which has hindered him somewhat, and i also thinks he gets annoyed playing with Taaarabt. Read the body language every time they break as a unit (Taarabt, Granero, Mackie, Cisse) the amount of times Taarabt gets given the ball and could play a quick return but doesn't, i feel the Granero more than most is getting p5sed off.... and i don't blame him.

I think the problem with Taarabt is this. Yes he can be a game changer / match winner whatever you want to call it, however once he seems to get established in the side as a guaranteed starter, he seems to revert back into his "play for Adel first, team 2nd" mentality. Harry needs to change this fast as he's been like this the last few games.

[paulmason]

I think is really funny that the things people are moaning that Granero does, they accept Adel doing. Adel has been fantastic this season and I hope it continues but he is not at Granero's level yet and I just hope Twitcher tells Adel he will sub him immediately if he takes another corner or free kick.

[silvercue]

I think is really funny that the things people are moaning that Granero does, they accept Adel doing. Adel has been fantastic this season and I hope it continues but he is not at Granero's level yet and I just hope Twitcher tells Adel he will sub him immediately if he takes another corner or free kick.

His corners were not that bad - they were arriving in the box to be met with no one attacking them. His free kciks can be good too. A million times better than when Barton was taking them last year.

Anyway Beckham will be taking our set pieces after winning the MLS cup at the weekend, so nowt to worry about ;)

[Tarbie]

From what I've seen so far Granero doesn't impose himself on the game enough for me.

I agree that he is very tidy on the ball, keeps possession well and has some nice touches, but surely isn't that the very at least you would expect from a central midfielder who has played 30 plus games for Real Madrid? Personally I think he needs a bit of time to adapt to the pace of the English game and if he is going to play the central midfield playmaker role then he has got to ensure he gets on the ball a lot more!

[Del]

From what I've seen so far Granero doesn't impose himself on the game enough for me.

I agree that he is very tidy on the ball, keeps possession well and has some nice touches, but surely isn't that the very at least you would expect from a central midfielder who has played 30 plus games for Real Madrid? Personally I think he needs a bit of time to adapt to the pace of the English game and if he is going to play the central midfield playmaker role then he has got to ensure he gets on the ball a lot more!

This relates to the point i was making about getting annoyed with Taarabt. Often he'll play the ball round a corner to Adel, go for the return, which rarely comes.