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  • How is he still here!?

    I think we all thought that yesterday, after losing a 'must win' game, that we would all be breathing a collective sigh of relief at the news that Hughes had been given the boot.

    But, like a bad smell or annoying stain, he remains.

    I would like to know exactly how. Just how on earth has he sat in a meeting and managed to justify remaining at the club. What pearls of wisdom did he offer? After 12 games of utter, utter dross (and let's not forget his entire tenure last season which was saved by a handful of home games where several players and the crowd single handedly won 15 points or so) what could he possibly have come up with as a positive, as a reason for remaining in charge? What could he possibly have used to show as hope for the future, as a reason that he has improved things?

    Now, we sacked Warnock last year who had performed better than Hughes, much better. Now, with all of Hughe's experience and bravado, surely the first question in yesterdays meeting should have been,

    'look mark, you've come in and spent a lot of money, you've had time and support. we brought you in because under neil, we were looking in trouble. Yet, after 12 months and a lot of money, the team is performing worse and you have not improved our league position by one place, even for a week, in the time you have been here. So, why should we continue to support you?'

    Just how would he have got out of that, that's what i want to know.

    I personally think our club has been ruined over the last 12 months, the seeds were sewn back in the day when Briatore et al came in and tried to boutique the club, we changed the badge and we thought we lost our identity. In essence, how wrong we were. Im not saying for a moment that Fernandez is worse than those two fools, of course not, but the same poisonous atmosphere remains. He is not a football man and relies on advice and perhaps is a bit naive. But that is the problem and people know it. There are still countless hangers-on at the club whispering in ears after nothing but their own benefit. TF has been taken advantage of from every corner. He reminds me of a lottery winner who goes public and before long all sorts of old friends come out the woodwork and countless car dealers and investment opportunities come knocking on the door. None of them care, they just want his business and his money.

    It seems the same at Loftus Road these days, and all the more so since Hughes and his baggage appeared.

    Just look at the squad. That's not a QPR squad, i dont know what it is. I cant remember the last time i cared less about a bunch of players. Apart from Taarabt, Mackie, Hill, Derry and Nelson, the rest of them may as well just play for a nameless club, I genuinely believe that none of them care whatsoever and have been lined up, and therefore have become part of, the Loftus Road whispering brigade, all here for a piece of TF's much advertised wealth, all in cahoots with agents and insiders at the club, and no doubt told to just 'stick it out, they'll make us both rich!'.

    Now I was quite excited when Hughes arrived. His Fulham and Blackburn teams were well built and mixed with young prospects with a few solid players thrown in among one or two more fair-type players. He was supposed to be experienced, but he panicked. Now I dont know if it was desperation or that he too has been taken for a ride by agents. But for whatever reason he decided that the squad we had (which had beaten Everton, Wolves and Stoke away before he arrived) was not good enough and began to tear it apart replacing players who, while workmanlike, at least had an identity with the club, not with young and hungry prospects who could work together with the older players, but with supposed 'big names' that would bring an instant success to the team.

    Now you might argue that it worked, we didn't go down, but we also didnt improve on our position at all. The likes of Cisse and Zamora failed ultimately over a season to outshine Helgusson and Mackie. So, lesson learned, we did it, we scraped through. So now we can build, grow, perhaps look at a young player such as Michu, who anyone with Sky could see had just hit 15 goals in La Liga and was available for 3m, or maybe Charlie Austin or Adam Llalana. Players from the championship who had shined for Swansea and Norwich showed that a model based on team spirit, hunger and passion worked far better than our mass acquisition of big names the previous year.

    But no, Mark Hughes went out and did exactly what he had done the previous year which had such dissatisfactory results, only he did it on a much bigger and much more expensive scale. And the results have been equally as disappointing.

    I dont see how anyone can defend our justify Hughe's performance over the time he has been at the club. The players all seem to hate him, no one wants to play for him, he comes across as totally aloof and difficult to work with, his tactics and team selection are baffling and we constantly get the impression that he does not know his best eleven. He has made huge mistakes in the transfer window, only to get lucky and survive, only to make exactly the same mistakes a second time when given even more money to spend, his teams lack basic ability to both attack and defend the most basic of set pieces, by all accounts he has lost the dressing room and I have never even got the slightest impression that the man himself really cares about the club.

    This is a man we have hinged our future on not once, but now twice, despite all of these failings and it is totally beyond me.

    I care about QPR almost more than ever right now, but I am outraged that I and the rest of the fans have been put in a position where we have to care about Hughes and at least six or seven of the worst collection of misfits I have ever seen on a football pitch. That to me is almost sadder than the inevitable relegation they will lead us toward.

  • #2
    Great post and looking back at some of our best results last season confirms it,
    Away win at Everton (scorer Smith), Beating the scum Helgusson), the massive turnaround which I believe is where our survival started in the 3-2 win over Liverpool and who were the scorers? (Derry starting the comeback and Mackie winning it). Taarabts free kick to beat Tottenham.
    No mention there of any of MH men, it was the QPR we know that saved us.
    Why can't he just fk off.
    Queens Park Rangers
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    PREMIER LEAGUE 2011 - ETERNITY (Oh well got that wrong, we'll be back though)

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    • #3
      Takes a long time to thrash out a settlement on a contract worth circa £12-15m I would guess.

      They will need to consult many parties and dot lots of I's and cross lots of T's before being in a position to finalise it all. Until that moment he's paid to manage the team so needs to get on with it for the timebeing.

      I think he will be in charge at OT for the predictable defeat while they sort it all and do due dilligence etc, then he'll be gone.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 80sCasual View Post
        Great post and looking back at some of our best results last season confirms it,
        Away win at Everton (scorer Smith), Beating the scum Helgusson), the massive turnaround which I believe is where our survival started in the 3-2 win over Liverpool and who were the scorers? (Derry starting the comeback and Mackie winning it). Taarabts free kick to beat Tottenham.
        No mention there of any of MH men, it was the QPR we know that saved us.
        Why can't he just fk off.
        Also Stoke away, HH 2, Young a Warnock player who MH froze out for some reason 1.

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        • #5
          Sorry but what a load of tosh some of that was

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          • #6
            I support QPR not a f...ing badge, stadium or mascot; nor a chairman, manager or player. Yes we are playing s...e at present and MH appears clueless but to listen to the tripe some of you lot come out with is embarrassing. "The manager this, the players that, blah f...ing blah". This is a cracker: "I personally think our club has been ruined over the last 12 months, the seeds were sewn back in the day when Briatore et al came in and tried to boutique the club, we changed the badge and we thought we lost our identity. In essence, how wrong we were. Im not saying for a moment that Fernandez is worse than those two fools, of course not, but the same poisonous atmosphere remains. He is not a football man and relies on advice and perhaps is a bit naive."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by theblackmafia. View Post
              I support QPR not a f...ing badge, stadium or mascot; nor a chairman, manager or player. Yes we are playing s...e at present and MH appears clueless but to listen to the tripe some of you lot come out with is embarrassing. "The manager this, the players that, blah f...ing blah". This is a cracker: "I personally think our club has been ruined over the last 12 months, the seeds were sewn back in the day when Briatore et al came in and tried to boutique the club, we changed the badge and we thought we lost our identity. In essence, how wrong we were. Im not saying for a moment that Fernandez is worse than those two fools, of course not, but the same poisonous atmosphere remains. He is not a football man and relies on advice and perhaps is a bit naive."
              Im all for differing opinions of the set up of the club, but the players, manager, board and chairman sadly represent a sizable portion of QPR, so if you cannot support them, then the club has issues that need addressing. We all support QPR, but personnel make up QPR. They may fluctuate, but at any one time you cannot have one without the other. Its very easy to just loyally support the entity that is QPR, its past and what it means to us. But I think its core is being right royally messed about with and it is not being run at all as a successful model from the top down to the team. its been rotten for years and despite everything that has gone on to improve it, it still is. I also support QPR and if what I believe is total tosh or whatever, then so be it. Im a fan, and I have been concerned for a long time and Mr Hughes does nothing to encourage me that things will improve. I would love him to prove me wrong, but we have only gone down hill since he arrived, we have spent millions doing so and to me it seems there are too many people involved in either playing level or hanging around the club that do not have QPR as an agenda and would not understand people like you and I who actually care about the club.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hoopsididitagain View Post
                Im all for differing opinions of the set up of the club, but the players, manager, board and chairman sadly represent a sizable portion of QPR, so if you cannot support them, then the club has issues that need addressing. We all support QPR, but personnel make up QPR. They may fluctuate, but at any one time you cannot have one without the other. Its very easy to just loyally support the entity that is QPR, its past and what it means to us. But I think its core is being right royally messed about with and it is not being run at all as a successful model from the top down to the team. its been rotten for years and despite everything that has gone on to improve it, it still is. I also support QPR and if what I believe is total tosh or whatever, then so be it. Im a fan, and I have been concerned for a long time and Mr Hughes does nothing to encourage me that things will improve. I would love him to prove me wrong, but we have only gone down hill since he arrived, we have spent millions doing so and to me it seems there are too many people involved in either playing level or hanging around the club that do not have QPR as an agenda and would not understand people like you and I who actually care about the club.
                agreed, good post mate!

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                • #9
                  How can you say it's 'core' is being messed up? Bar the first team underperforming, is the 'core' messed up? We have owners that care, pumped money in, upgraded training facilities, possible new training facilities and stadium (not sure on stadium!), new scouting set up as in we now have some, well thought out youth development, switched on guys like Beard and Riggs....the list goes on, so what is the problem with our 'core'?

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                  • #10
                    The infrastructure of the club is sound. The problem is the football management and first team squad. The most important part unfortunately.
                    Supporting QPR isn't just about a football team. It's about roots and identity.

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                    • #11
                      I know it is complicated, but I cannot see how MH can possibly stay on at the Club. The stories of negotiations are all well and good, but in the meantime everything is in limbo, which I cannot feel is helpful to anybody.

                      The players, who before Saturday were mostly not very motivated, are probably even less so now as they must realize that they are playing for a manager whose days are numbered.

                      Surely it would be better to sack him and have a caretaker manager until a new manager can be brought in.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by theblackmafia. View Post
                        How can you say it's 'core' is being messed up? Bar the first team underperforming, is the 'core' messed up? We have owners that care, pumped money in, upgraded training facilities, possible new training facilities and stadium (not sure on stadium!), new scouting set up as in we now have some, well thought out youth development, switched on guys like Beard and Riggs....the list goes on, so what is the problem with our 'core'?
                        This is spot on.
                        Off the field, the club has never looked better.
                        It's only when Mark Hughes unleashes the overpaid useless shyte we have for a team, on the field, that we are made to look like clowns.
                        If everything on the field, was as excellent as the club is off the field, we really would have something to be very, very, proud of.

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                        • #13
                          all I am saying is, we've spent a lot of money on a playing squad that is clearly woefully insufficient. Now, granted, Hughes picked out these players and he has to take the blame for the most short-sighted approach to squad building that I have ever seen, but if the higher powers at the club are sanctioning these moves and spending their, so by proxy our money on them, then I believe that this is a problem.

                          Imagine if the technical director of Lotus came up to Fernandez and said he had a great idea for a new car with square wheels that he really wanted to try out. The car cost a lot of money and people had tried a similar car before and it had failed, but he was sure that this new car would be great, and win the team a lot of points in the grand prix season.

                          The car failed, but this technical director was pretty good at persuading him that this new season, the same car would work, it just needed more money spent on it, so Fernandez, not really understanding the world of motor racing (IRL I'm sure he does) again agrees and spends most of the teams budget on a new fleet of square wheeled cars, despite every other team once again taking a different approach and other round wheeled cars proving successful the year before.

                          Of course. Lotus begin the new season terribly...

                          Now, you could say wow, he's a really supportive chairman, he gives his technical director all the money he can spend, despite results he's really loyal.

                          Or he could be a laughing stock of the racing world who has blindly followed bad advice and put the future of the team at risk.

                          Now the infrastructure of the club is finally looking positive which is great, but the point I was trying (possibly quite badly) to stress, is that I am concerned that at a senior level of the club there are either too many people who dont understand football and are therefore in need of advice (which i am sure is very normal) or that there are all sorts of hangers on with agendas other than TF and QPR who are offering this advice. Both of these are quite dangerous to the club as TF can throw all the money in the world at the team, but if its spent badly then does that make him an amazing chairman or potentially a laughing stock?

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                          • #14
                            Some good points and especially that Hughes has been backed to the hilt, improved nothing on the pitch (maaybe off it), results and performances are unacceptable and there are far too many over paid and overrated players who seem to care very little for the Club.

                            Perhaps the only reason that Hughes is still at the club, is that they want to negotiate a proper pay off rather than just pay up his contract.

                            Because surely if the question ('look mark, you've come in and spent a lot of money, you've had time and support. we brought you in because under neil, we were looking in trouble. Yet, after 12 months and a lot of money, the team is performing worse and you have not improved our league position by one place, even for a week, in the time you have been here. So, why should we continue to support you?') had been put to him, I dont see what possible answer he could have given to justify being kept on.

                            The sooner he is out the better. It may not yet be too late to save the season, but the longer this drags on the harder it is going to get.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by hoopsididitagain View Post
                              all I am saying is, we've spent a lot of money on a playing squad that is clearly woefully insufficient. Now, granted, Hughes picked out these players and he has to take the blame for the most short-sighted approach to squad building that I have ever seen, but if the higher powers at the club are sanctioning these moves and spending their, so by proxy our money on them, then I believe that this is a problem.

                              Imagine if the technical director of Lotus came up to Fernandez and said he had a great idea for a new car with square wheels that he really wanted to try out. The car cost a lot of money and people had tried a similar car before and it had failed, but he was sure that this new car would be great, and win the team a lot of points in the grand prix season.

                              The car failed, but this technical director was pretty good at persuading him that this new season, the same car would work, it just needed more money spent on it, so Fernandez, not really understanding the world of motor racing (IRL I'm sure he does) again agrees and spends most of the teams budget on a new fleet of square wheeled cars, despite every other team once again taking a different approach and other round wheeled cars proving successful the year before.

                              Of course. Lotus begin the new season terribly...

                              Now, you could say wow, he's a really supportive chairman, he gives his technical director all the money he can spend, despite results he's really loyal.

                              Or he could be a laughing stock of the racing world who has blindly followed bad advice and put the future of the team at risk.

                              Now the infrastructure of the club is finally looking positive which is great, but the point I was trying (possibly quite badly) to stress, is that I am concerned that at a senior level of the club there are either too many people who dont understand football and are therefore in need of advice (which i am sure is very normal) or that there are all sorts of hangers on with agendas other than TF and QPR who are offering this advice. Both of these are quite dangerous to the club as TF can throw all the money in the world at the team, but if its spent badly then does that make him an amazing chairman or potentially a laughing stock?
                              Its not the job of Fernandes to understand football at a very technical level. that is what he paid hughes, rigg and a vast backroom team a huge amount of money to do for him. fernandes is busy making money (a fair slice of which he is then putting in to QPR). He appointed so-called experts in good faith. And these appointments (and indeed most of the signings) were greeted with near universal enthusiasm on here, so not much point being wise after the event. The only major and consistent criticism I heard about Hughes pre-season was his failure to sign a really commanding centre half (which has cost us).

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