Could all the "MH should be sacked" muppets please shut up

[DeepcutHoop]

Top poker player isnt she (Coren, not your wife haha).....thought her Dad was great...especially on Call My Bluff (showing my age now oops!)

Loved him on the News Quiz. Jeremy Hardy has settled into his role well though. Different character from Alan but he's a solid panel stalwart.

[hal9thou]

I think Hughes is tactically bereft.

In the old days, you could set up a side to neutralise threat and battle your way to a point. These days in the EPL you need to have a fluid enough set up to counter properly, becuase there is no guarantee that you can park the bus for 90m against a decent EPL side, because decent EPL sides have options. With us, Hughes has set up his teams to do one or the other. He does not get the concept of formations which allow fluidity, or if he does he never plays them. We are totally predictable.

Old pros like Robbie Savage thought he set us up well against a poor Arsenal, but these days that has to include a threat going forward. The last five minutes is too late.

Hughes now has one of the all time worst records of any Rs boss. Great managers know how to balance stick and carrot, you need to be able to have a laugh and our lads look tense and stressed and not always motivated. Psychologically I don't rate him.

Personally I think he bought unwisely, and said so at the time. Anyone whose idea of an attacking line up in 2012 at the top level is Johnson and Zamora in a 4-4-2 is simply deluded, and the lack of the CB specialist which we were crying out for has already cost us. We'd have done well to sign more selectively, ie fewer players but higher quality. Park (and others) were superflous: a decent CB was essential.

A win against Reading won't change the fundemental problem of the management team's inadequacy. If we stick with Hughes we may somehow escape, and can then look forward to another season of terrible, predictable football, spiced up by yet another relegation battle. This is not a rant based on recent events. The writing has been on the wall for a long time for anyone to see, but denial is a powerful thing.

[Quaz]

I can see both sides too, just thought that telling someone who'd posted a fairly cogent point to stfu was unhelpful to say the least.

get your facts straight sunshine, the original thread title had stfu in it, so was telling Op not a chance in hell of shutting up, so read before you put your foot in it again, thanks and goodnight

[dsqpr]

If I thought MH wasn't up to the job I'd be calling for his head too - no point flogging a dead horse. So I can see where those posters are coming from.

I may yet be proved wrong, but I believe he has what it takes and will come good for us. Now ducking down behind the trench wall!

[Stanley]

I think Hughes is tactically bereft.

In the old days, you could set up a side to neutralise threat and battle your way to a point. These days in the EPL you need to have a fluid enough set up to counter properly, becuase there is no guarantee that you can park the bus for 90m against a decent EPL side, because decent EPL sides have options. With us, Hughes has set up his teams to do one or the other. He does not get the concept of formations which allow fluidity, or if he does he never plays them. We are totally predictable.

Old pros like Robbie Savage thought he set us up well against a poor Arsenal, but these days that has to include a threat going forward. The last five minutes is too late.

Hughes now has one of the all time worst records of any Rs boss. Great managers know how to balance stick and carrot, you need to be able to have a laugh and our lads look tense and stressed and not always motivated. Psychologically I don't rate him.

Personally I think he bought unwisely, and said so at the time. Anyone whose idea of an attacking line up in 2012 at the top level is Johnson and Zamora in a 4-4-2 is simply deluded, and the lack of the CB specialist which we were crying out for has already cost us. We'd have done well to sign more selectively, ie fewer players but higher quality. Park (and others) were superflous: a decent CB was essential.

A win against Reading won't change the fundemental problem of the management team's inadequacy. If we stick with Hughes we may somehow escape, and can then look forward to another season of terrible, predictable football, spiced up by yet another relegation battle. This is not a rant based on recent events. The writing has been on the wall for a long time for anyone to see, but denial is a powerful thing.

Its not denial, its just a difference of opinion. Youre entitled to yours of course but I just dont happen to agree with any of it. As is his way, Hughes started slowly at Fulham in 2010/11 too but turned things round from Christmas, leading them to an 8th place finish. A "tactically bereft" manager could not make such an achievement in one of the strongest leagues in the world. I see no reason why he's not capable of replicating the same thing here. You say the PL has changed but it hasnt changed much since that season. Yet another managerial change would of course not guarantee that results would necessarily improve, and could just as easily result in even further unnecessary upheaval and instability.

[QPR Richard]

So are you giving Hughes your total backing for the entire season based on the fact he got Fulham to 8th one season? Are you suggesting that, regardless of results, we should all back Hughes and see where we are in May? So, no matter where we are at Christmas, you believe he should be given the remainder of the season so he has a chance to replicate what he did at Fulham?

Based on our league position and Hughes's awful away record, it's a risky strategy you advocate.

[essex]

What i think is riskier is bringing in someone new. With hughes, we also get his backroom staff. I sit in the west paddock and see exactly how he works, he has a defensive coach and and offensive one, they give the instructions to the players. You will not see Hughes barking orders. It looks much more professional than we have ever had.

I honestly believe the team is moving in the right direction under MH, and i will keep backing him until we stop seeing the team progress.

[silvercue]

we are, as they say, caught between a rock and a hard place.

[essex]

we are, as they say, caught between a rock and a hard place.

Not at all, hughes is a great manager, he just needs time. We are progressing nicely, i am still confident we will finish mid-table

[vblockranger]

Not at all, hughes is a great manager, he just needs time. We are progressing nicely, i am still confident we will finish mid-table

just wondering mate what makes you think he is a great manager? He has been hopeless while in charge of us and he only won 11 games out of 38 at Fulham. He has only had 7 away wins out of 61 away fixtures since he has left Blackburn!. So his stats are pretty poor and he has done nothing with us so i wonder why you think he is any good? His name is useful as we used it to recruit a few quality players but even with players such as Cesar,Mbia,Granero,Hoilett and Cisse we are still a poor team under Hughes. I think his managerial skills are poor and he is actually holding us back but thats just my opinion.

[Stanley]

So are you giving Hughes your total backing for the entire season based on the fact he got Fulham to 8th one season? Are you suggesting that, regardless of results, we should all back Hughes and see where we are in May? So, no matter where we are at Christmas, you believe he should be given the remainder of the season so he has a chance to replicate what he did at Fulham?

Based on our league position and Hughes's awful away record, it's a risky strategy you advocate.

Yes as I've said all along, I'd give Hughes at least one full season in charge but that's because I happen to believe he'll turn things around, so I dont think its risky. It would be far riskier to sack him and bring yet another manager in with all the inevitable upheaval and further instability that would bring, and of course with no guarantee that results would actually improve. Rodney Marsh said it would be "insanity" to get rid of him now; TF said it would be "suicide", both gave reasoned and cogent points as to why and I happen to agree with them both. Granted Hughes' away record isn't great and people are now using that as a rod to beat him with, but if they're going to use his stats why do they conveniently only refer to his away record and not his home, thus not giving a balanced overview. His overall managerial record is really not as bad as people are now trying to twist because they've lost their patience with him.

[silvercue]

Not at all, hughes is a great manager, he just needs time. We are progressing nicely, i am still confident we will finish mid-table

I am not in the sack Hughes camp, but I certainly think you have made two complete errors in that statement. I will highlight in bold in case you don't understand what I mean.

Hughes is most ceratinly not a "great manager". He is OK. If progressing nicely means going backwards - then we are progressing nicely. He has not taken us a single place above his starting point of 4th from bottom IIRC. And he has had 2 windows.......progressing nicely would be mid table.

[QPR Richard]

Yes as I've said all along, I'd give Hughes at least one full season in charge but that's because I happen to believe he'll turn things around, so I dont think its risky. It would be far riskier to sack him and bring yet another manager in with all the inevitable upheaval and further instability that would bring, and of course with no guarantee that results would actually improve. Rodney Marsh said it would be "insanity" to get rid of him now; TF said it would be "suicide", both gave reasoned and cogent points as to why and I happen to agree with them both. Granted Hughes' away record isn't great and people are now using that as a rod to beat him with, but if they're going to use his stats why do they conveniently only refer to his away record and not his home, thus not giving a balanced overview. His overall managerial record is really not as bad as people are now trying to twist because they've lost their patience with him.

Away games make up half a season. The fact that Hughes's record is truly shocking will naturally lead to people losing patience. I would guess Hughes has one of the worst records out of the 92.

This season's home record is bad too. Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2 GD -6. You're defending Hughes by saying people are bashing him because of his away record, but look at this season's home record. We're on schedule to collect a whopping 10 points. It's not acceptable.

You might believe he'll turn things around, but the fact is, as the manager, his performance has been a disgrace. How else do you explain our league position? Of course I would like him to succeed, we all would, but his first 9 games this season suggests he won't. For me, the next six games will require him to get 9-11 points. If we lose to the likes of Villa Reading and Southampton, you'd still keep him on?

[Stanley]

This season's home record is bad too. Played 4 won 0 drawn 2 lost 2 GD -6. You're defending Hughes by saying people are bashing him because of his away record, but look at this season's home record. We're on schedule to collect a whopping 10 points.

We're not on any such 'schedule', football isn't like that. Its not a logical or reasoned conclusion that just because we've made a poor start it will continue in the same vein. Like I said, I'd give him a full season for the reasons given. Just my opinion. I guess I just have more faith than than those already calling for the sacking of yet another QPR manager.

[NW_Hoopz]

Hughes started slowly at Fulham in 2010/11 too but turned things round from Christmas, leading them to an 8th place finish. A "tactically bereft" manager could not make such an achievement in one of the strongest leagues in the world. .

I heard a Foolham fan on Talk****e last night (about 6.50) say "they only finished 8th by a mixture of luck and own goals, and that MH was clueless tactically"

Also just fitted a kitchen for a Sports Journalist who works on The Sport, who nearly wet himself when I turned up in my R's bobble hat, once he caught his breath the first thing he said was "You'll never win anything with Hughes in charge, he is clueless" and he is a Man City fan .........

Now I don't have any answers and I want him to succeed because failure could spell the end of the R's BUT I think her indooors has just summed it up after watching a clip on SSN , she said "He (MH) looks like a disinterested business man, the 'other one' (NW) always looked very passionate about it (football)"

WE have to win against the free scoring fakes and put this losing streak to bed, so we can lose all this negativity and concentrate on what the real problems are.