Roony's Law

[NW_Hoopz]

CREAM ALWAYS RISES TO THE TOP !

DIFFERENT HORSES FOR DIFFERENT COURSES !

The question everyone needs to ask themselves is .........

Why so many poor Scottish players BUT so many great Scottish managers ?

Why so many great 'Black' players BUT so few 'Black' managers ?

All players mix and move from club to club throughout their career, and people in the game know who shows leadership qualities ,who stays on in training, who takes all their badges etc etc


' THE HARDER I WORK THE LUCKIER I GET '
not sure who said that but you could quite easily attribute it to David Moyles I would think ........

[BUSHRANGER1982]

Positive discrimination is a pile of shyte.
Even African countries with Black majorities, will bypass black candidates in favour of white candidates, for managerial positions.
To force quotas on football clubs would be entirely wrong, and would give racists a legitimate cause to complain, that non-racists would find hard to argue against.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

' THE HARDER I WORK THE LUCKIER I GET '
not sure who said that but you could quite easily attribute it to David Moyles I would think ........

You can bet it was one of the idle rich, in order to get more from us, for as little as the idle rich can get away with.

[NW_Hoopz]

You can bet it was one of the idle rich, in order to get more from us, for as little as the idle rich can get away with.

Is that you Mr D ?

Or have you finally shown yourself Mr JH ?

I knew It wasn't a good idea to talk politics after a day on the juice at Ascot ........

[weston]

Always one

From my understanding Rooneys law isn't about direct representation in coaching or players based on colour in direct proportion to the population. If this was the case then the argument forwarded would be correct and the 7 black players we fielded on Sunday would need to be reduced to a number directly proportionate to the population. However Rooneys law doesn't state this and the fact some suffragettes relative is going on TV doesn't add anything to the argument.
Rooneys law was basically trying to deal with the issue in American football where 70% of the players were black but 6% of the coaches were black. Whatever way you look at it, this seems weird. After the implementation of the law the % went up.

If you compare the American situation with our football then there is a striking similarity, just with our club the % of our players who could be described as black at any one time on the pitch is about 60% to 70% but only 4 coaches in all the divisions are black.

We sit on our high horses saying how backward Serbia are, and how we have moved forward, but any further improvements are met with derision

The law itself as in existence in America doesn't say a club has to have a minimum number of black players or a minimum number of coaches must be in the league directly proportionate to the population.

All the Rooney law says is that when a club interviews for a coach their short list must have a ratio where those interviewed are black. Nothing in the law says you have to give the job to a black interviewee, all it does is it just gives black coaches an opportunity getting past the door.

Lastly, if that means Sir Les can get a few more interviews then I'm all for it considering Dowie somehow seems to be on most clubs short list, if that isn't an argument to bring in the law I don't know what is.

So given that the amount of coaches roughly works out to the amount of black people in the country why does anything need to be done? Do we need Rooneys law to put black people in managers positions rather than raising the number of white english players to reflect the proportion on that ethnic group in the country?
Should clubs be forced to take on trial / scout a certain number of white english players for every players position they want to fill? Of course not, some people need to face facts. and accept that people should be employed by their ability to do a job rather than the colour of their skin.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

Yeah, we have a minority of managers from a certain ethnic minority.
So, what exactly is the big deal?

[vblockranger]

Yeah, we have a minority of managers from a certain ethnic minority.
So, what exactly is the big deal?

there is no big deal to sane people.

[EYR]

So if Pep Guardiola and John Barnes apply for the same job you have to give Barnes an interview because he's black? Regardless off the fact he's ####ing useless and you wouldnt appoint in a month of sundays!

[QPR Richard]

Always one

From my understanding Rooneys law isn't about direct representation in coaching or players based on colour in direct proportion to the population. If this was the case then the argument forwarded would be correct and the 7 black players we fielded on Sunday would need to be reduced to a number directly proportionate to the population. However Rooneys law doesn't state this and the fact some suffragettes relative is going on TV doesn't add anything to the argument.
Rooneys law was basically trying to deal with the issue in American football where 70% of the players were black but 6% of the coaches were black. Whatever way you look at it, this seems weird. After the implementation of the law the % went up.

If you compare the American situation with our football then there is a striking similarity, just with our club the % of our players who could be described as black at any one time on the pitch is about 60% to 70% but only 4 coaches in all the divisions are black.

We sit on our high horses saying how backward Serbia are, and how we have moved forward, but any further improvements are met with derision

The law itself as in existence in America doesn't say a club has to have a minimum number of black players or a minimum number of coaches must be in the league directly proportionate to the population.

All the Rooney law says is that when a club interviews for a coach their short list must have a ratio where those interviewed are black. Nothing in the law says you have to give the job to a black interviewee, all it does is it just gives black coaches an opportunity getting past the door.

Lastly, if that means Sir Les can get a few more interviews then I'm all for it considering Dowie somehow seems to be on most clubs short list, if that isn't an argument to bring in the law I don't know what is.

Do you not think that if there were black equivalents of Fergie or the Special One, they'd be employed by clubs? I disagree with the Rooney Law argument that the candidates list should include black people simply because they are black. It should be purely based on merit. If Hughes got the boot and three excellent candidates came forward, I wouldn't care if they were black or white, just as long as they could do the job. I don't accept for a moment that football clubs don't interview black people for managers or coaches jobs because they're black. I don't believe racism is alive and kicking in the boardrooms of England's football clubs.

One of the problems of this law would be the labelling of black candidates as being the 'token black' I think it would lead to more problems than it would solve. Before any organisation goes down this road, perhaps they should consider this. There are many black players in the game, but how many go on to do their coaching badges when they retire? If it's a low proportion, which I suspect it is, then that's where it needs to change. Get more black players doing their coaching badges and there might be more in coaching and management jobs. Most would agree that great players don't necessarily become great coaches.

[silvercue]

Look at South Africa to see how well "positive discrimitation" works. Not.

This "law" is totally oppossed to equality.

If there are less black people, or women, or gay people in certain jobs because we didn't have equality in the past it does not mean that you should discriminate against the majority to compensate. You fix the root cause and then let time work it's magic. Everyone should get everywhere on merit.

Imagine if I set up a Whites Only Service Managers Union - I would be in deep water. It would probably be looked at as ilegal.

Imagine if the hairdressers association said that 50% of male hairdressers had to be straight!!!! Panic would follow and our women folk would get their hair styled in France!!

[EYR]

Maybe they should also interview a disabled chap too, maybe one with mental health issues fck it throw in a genderbender as well.

[silvercue]

There are simply not enough fat, black, gay, lesbian, cripples in wheelchairs in the game.

We should appoint one as the next England Manager.

[QPRDave]

Gentleman I give you the next England management duo

[vblockranger]

There are simply not enough fat, black, gay, lesbian, cripples in wheelchairs in the game.

We should appoint one as the next England Manager.

[TBLOCKRANGER]

I'm not sure the Rooney law is discriminatory, if for example 100 candidates apply for manager at a club and 20 of them are black, my understanding is the Rooney law would simpy state that if 10 are asked in for an interview one of them should be black. No one is losing out (save I suppose the white candidate who came in 10th).
In America this simple introduction resulted in black managers being increased from 6% to somewhere in the 30s. The winning candidate would still be the best on ability.
I think since it's been introduced in the USA only one team has been fined for non compliance, so it's not a law that is causing any dramatic problems.
It may be that as with the 70 s and 80 s when managers only thought black players could play in certain positions, a lot of boards now just think black people can't be managers and are ruling them out at the sift stage of the application process but however when they see them in interview they may consider that isn't quite correct.
I note part of the argument against the law is that ability will always come good and regardless of your background you will get what you deserve, however that is not true. George Osborne and that Fred the shred geezer have got to high office inspite of any ability.
As to home grown players and managers I agree with the arguments but that doesn't mean Rooneys law can't also apply. Gentle light touch regulation should apply saying only managers born in the country should manage the nation. As to white kids, I agree if white kids are being held back then this should be looked into and resolved. If regulation is required to rectify the problem then so be it.
As the game goes more global, some regulation will need to come in to protect home grown talent, some has been introduced already and no one is complaining that this is disciminatory or should be outlawed to allow us get as many talented African kids in our club as we want.