So what did we learn from yesterday ?

[QPR1976]

Bosingwa's not sh!t after all.
M'bia CAN play Centre Half.
Traore is better than Hill at LB.
Diakite CAN control himself.
Park is better on the Right. (seems Sir Alex F was right after all !)
Hoilett is 10 times better than SWP.
Mind you, Hogan is 3 times better than SWP !
Granero is class.
Zamora will not get us 20 goals this season.
Cisse might.
Everton have a very solid defence.
Despite what Green broadcast, Arsenal may not be Hughes last game, but failing to beat BOTH Reading AND Southampton, will see TF's patience wearing VERY thin.

OK, so the last one is speculation, not fact - just my opinion.

[Rangers77]

That we're a much, much better team without SWP and, the screw up goal we conceded aside, much stronger at the back without Anton F. And that Park's industriousness hasn't anything to offer the team attack wise. That Samba, once he stays on the pitch, will be a very good player. That we badly need a striker who can score goals.... BZ can't and Cisse has been poor all season. And that we need Adel to play every week.

[dave58]

I'LL tell you what we did learn yesterday we're better team without Ferdinand but still cant mark people propaly and still give away soft goals defensively we are still poor

[Busheyboy]

we didn't learn anything yesterday, we already knew it. MH hopefully learnt something.
Mediocre defenders have lapses in concentration (which is why their mediocre)
you have to have goalscorers who wll get 20 + goals a season. Cisse has scored 30 goals in 114 games. That's an average of 10 aseason and BZ has scored 55 goals in 255 games at the top level, which is about 8 goals a season.
We have some real quality at the club, Granero, Tarbs, Hoilett, Faurlin, Samba, Park. We need a proper top class goalscorer

[Captain Planet]

Green ain't happy on the bench. Every time the camera was on him he looked like someone had just shat in his Shreddies. I reckon he'll ask to move on in January.

[Droghoop]

Finally thought we showed some real desire yesterday, without going 2 or 3 goals down, so I was pleased with that, the only **** thing is that Arsenal lost at Norwich meaning they are going to be gung-ho for a win on Saturday, hopefully the lads have belief enough now to finally get that first win, oh we also learned that offense is better than out and out defense..... pardon my americanism

[QPR1976]

20+ goals/season is VERY rare in the Prem.

Highly unlikely we'd get someone, without paying £20+Million

[qpr4life]

Bosingwa's not sh!t after all.
M'bia CAN play Centre Half.
Traore is better than Hill at LB.
Diakite CAN control himself.
Park is better on the Right. (seems Sir Alex F was right after all !)
Hoilett is 10 times better than SWP.
Mind you, Hogan is 3 times better than SWP !
Granero is class.
Zamora will not get us 20 goals this season.
Cisse might.
Everton have a very solid defence.
Despite what Green broadcast, Arsenal may not be Hughes last game, but failing to beat BOTH Reading AND Southampton, will see TF's patience wearing VERY thin.

OK, so the last one is speculation, not fact - just my opinion.

a FAIR post..

I would agree with most...

SWP seems to be struggling, and Hoillet deserves his place now!!

[MattyRangers]

20+ goals/season is VERY rare in the Prem.

Highly unlikely we'd get someone, without paying £20+Million

This.

People going on abnout a 20 goal a season striker, how many teams have one? Ideally, yes, we would all love one, but last season only Aguero, Rooney & RVP got 20 goals -players that are quite obviously way out of our league. We need a couple of strikers than can bag us 10-12 goals each and a few midfielders than will chip in with their fair share also.

[stanistheman]

Bosingwa's not sh!t after all.
M'bia CAN play Centre Half.
Traore is better than Hill at LB.
Diakite CAN control himself.
Park is better on the Right. (seems Sir Alex F was right after all !)
Hoilett is 10 times better than SWP.
Mind you, Hogan is 3 times better than SWP !
Granero is class.
Zamora will not get us 20 goals this season.
Cisse might.
Everton have a very solid defence.
Despite what Green broadcast, Arsenal may not be Hughes last game, but failing to beat BOTH Reading AND Southampton, will see TF's patience wearing VERY thin.

OK, so the last one is speculation, not fact - just my opinion.

I agree with these.
No if only Hughes will revert to playing Zamora and Cisse from the start of games we might actually see QPR win a few games soon.

[QPR1976]

I'd love to see Cisse start also, but I think he needs Zamora to play off. He's not a target man himself.

So, to play both, someone from midfield has to make way - who from yesterday's starting XI would you drop Stan ?

[Del]

we didn't learn anything yesterday, we already knew it. MH hopefully learnt something.
Mediocre defenders have lapses in concentration (which is why their mediocre)
you have to have goalscorers who wll get 20 + goals a season. Cisse has scored 30 goals in 114 games. That's an average of 10 aseason and BZ has scored 55 goals in 255 games at the top level, which is about 8 goals a season.
We have some real quality at the club, Granero, Tarbs, Hoilett, Faurlin, Samba, Park. We need a proper top class goalscorer

You cant blame our defenders for a lapse in concentration when the person clearly "meant" to be marking Distan was Zamora!

Also regarding Cisse, you can't quote scoring stats and conveniently ignore the club tallys in France and Greece where he was very prolific with 137 goals in 247 games. As for Lazio, it's also well publicised he was played wide not up front, so hardly relevant either. His career league stats are 361 games 167 goals, basically 1 goal in just over every 2 games.... so we'll settle for 19 goals a season average then, not 10.

For us, which is what should matter, he pretty much averaged a goal every 90mins last season. Certainly not supporting your 10 goals a season theory. If he was played every week he'd score at least 15 imo.

[stainrodisalegend]

Agree with much of that. Particularly pleased to see Bosingwa play well and silence the boo boys before they got started.

Mbia I still have my doubts about. Was completely static when Everton hit the crossbar. Has potential to be a v gd player but also has potential to switch off or drop a clanger.

Cisse? agree he is our only potential goal machine and yesterday against 10 men we cd have had him and Zamora. But v hard to see how we can typically play two up front in this division (particularly away) without being over-run in midfield, where Granero and Diakite are already over-worked helping out our rusty defence. But Cisse has looked poor this season playing a lone striker role so not sure there is an ideal formation with the players currently at the club.

[QPR1976]

Del / Stainrod

I tend to agree. Cisse needs a bigger man to play off. Zamora is our only option in that role.
I'm not convinced Hughes wants to play 4-4-2, I think he prefers 5 in midfield Away and tinkers it slightly at Home to play more 4-3-3 (ish)

[Busheyboy]

take the points about 20 goal strikers but we haven't got 10-12 goal strikers either and whilst Granero, Park, Faurlin, Diakite etc look good, I don't think they'll get 10 between them all season, so we need to go out and break the bank to get in the right man otherwise lack of goals allied to sh.. defence is going to cost us big time