TF won't sack Hughes unless we are in real danger of relegation...

[Will M]

I can think of a couple of candidates. But let's not get into debating their merits because the mere mention of one of them causes even more irrational comment than mention of Hughes ;)

What Hughes supporters haven't said, is just how much time they'd give him.... The board have repeatedly stated that relegation is not an option. The spectre of that is why NW went. Therefore employing someone as manager who is unable to secure points on a regular basis becomes untenable - you can't have it both ways.

So if the Hughes miracle doesn't happen - when? At what point is enough enough? Would you see us go down under Hughes? I'm being completely serious here, not having a dig. It is reasonable to discuss this given Hughes record at our club to date.

We've had a lengthly debate about this topic before.

How's Bobby Zamora doing this season so far for you? As I stated last time, if you're wrong about him then why can't you be wrong about Mark Hughes? And I told you we'd need to give a manager with a hefty amount of new signings a lengthy bedding in period. Managers need to be judged over a whole season, not a few games here and there.

You also stated that Hughes plays bland football, and that's why you don't like him. Well seeing as he's trying to play a better standard of football then that's something else you're wrong about too.

So yes, please do tell us who we could attract that would be better than Hughes? And why would they come to QPR?

[CroydonCaptainJack]

We've had a lengthly debate about this topic before.

How's Bobby Zamora doing this season so far for you? As I stated last time, if you're wrong about him then why can't you be wrong about Mark Hughes? And I told you we'd need to give a manager with a hefty amount of new signings a lengthy bedding in period. Managers need to be judged over a whole season, not a few games here and there.

You also stated that Hughes plays bland football, and that's why you don't like him. Well seeing as he's trying to play a better standard of football then that's something else you're wrong about too.

So yes, please do tell us who we could attract that would be better than Hughes? And why would they come to QPR?

I think you will find the silence deafening Will!

[Will M]

I think you will find the silence deafening Will!

I can't see any big time manager coming to a revolving door club.

There are few candidates who have a better record than Hughes, who play attractive football that would come here.

[Cookie Monster]

So yes, please do tell us who we could attract that would be better than Hughes? And why would they come to QPR?

EXACTLY

What self respecting manager would come to our club that:

Has the infastructure that would embarass most league 1 teams.
Has the smallest ground in the preimier league.
Who has a history of instability that has left an bloated squad full of disgruntled fringe players
Who have had so many managers in recent years that even this season ticket holder cant name them in order
Whos fans demand IMMEDIATE results

The arrogance of some of ours fans astounds me. People seem to think were gods gift to managers and these are the same people who call those who arent calling for Hughes head the "happy clappy brigade". No. I want to keep Hughes because our club is in a ####in state and we need stability to sort it out.

This will not be solved by quick fixes. We need to slow down and build the club again from the bottom up. Hughes is trying to do this and people need to give him time. Anyone who thinks Harry is the man to do this is absoloutley bonkers. Just look at the state of Portsmouth.

This attitude of wanting instant sucess is a cancer that could kill our club as it only leads to two roads - Souless Chelsea or Bankrupt Portsmouth.

[Will M]

EXACTLY

What self respecting manager would come to our club that:

Has the infastructure that would embarass most league 1 teams.
Has the smallest ground in the preimier league.
Who has a history of instability that has left an bloated squad full of disgruntled fringe players
Who have had so many managers in recent years that even this season ticket holder cant name them in order
Whos fans demand IMMEDIATE results

The arrogance of some of ours fans astounds me. People seem to think were gods gift to managers and these are the same people who call us the "happy clappy brigade". No. I want to keep Hughes because our club is in a ####in state and we need stability to sort it out.

This will not be solved by quick fixes. We need to slow down and build the club again from the bottom up. Hughes is trying to do this and people need to give him time. Anyone who thinks Harry is the man to do this is absoloutley bonkers. Just look at the state of Portsmouth.

This attitude of wanting instant sucess is a cancer that could kill our club as it only leads to two roads - Souless Chelsea or Bankrupt Portsmouth.

[DouDou_87]

EXACTLY

What self respecting manager would come to our club that:

Has the infastructure that would embarass most league 1 teams.
Has the smallest ground in the preimier league.
Who has a history of instability that has left an bloated squad full of disgruntled fringe players
Who have had so many managers in recent years that even this season ticket holder cant name them in order
Whos fans demand IMMEDIATE results

The arrogance of some of ours fans astounds me. People seem to think were gods gift to managers and these are the same people who call those who arent calling for Hughes head the "happy clappy brigade". No. I want to keep Hughes because our club is in a ####in state and we need stability to sort it out.

This will not be solved by quick fixes. We need to slow down and build the club again from the bottom up. Hughes is trying to do this and people need to give him time. Anyone who thinks Harry is the man to do this is absoloutley bonkers. Just look at the state of Portsmouth.

This attitude of wanting instant sucess is a cancer that could kill our club as it only leads to two roads - Souless Chelsea or Bankrupt Portsmouth.

This 100%...

[hal9thou]

Hang on a minute - two quick points in response to the above, both of them oft repeated by Hughes supporters. I never demanded immediate results, and Hughes tenure exceeds five games. (And while I'm at it, Will, I'm not convinced by Zamora but at the end of the day whatever any of us think about him, he does not have the same responsibility that Hughes has. We agreed to wait re Zamora judgement so let's concentrate on the matter in hand. If that's OK with you.)

Funny, isn't it, that suddenly we're a small club again after all the pre season hype and expectation on here. It seems like any only the other day people were going on and on about new stadia, training facilities and what have you. The way the club was being portrayed just a few weeks ago, you'd have got the idea that many people would have loved to manage an outfit with such prospects....

The truth of course is that we were aways a small club, but unlike many small clubs, there are people with financial interests in QPR who have massive resources at their disposal. I'm not saying they should give it all to us, I'm just pointing out that we are a small club who, in theory at least, are secure enough to have potential.

There are things about Harry - off the park things, agent things, money things - that don't smell of roses, and under all the 'cockney gaffer' persona there is no doubt that a harder version lurks. But you asked me so I'll tell you: I'd prefer to watch a QPR side managed him than one managed by Hughes. I think he would be a better bet. Would he come here? I don't think that's impossible as long as it's well this side of the window.

Someone who won a lot of respect as a manager from the doubters - like me - was Iain Dowie. I think he has a better football brain than Hughes. I think people play for him. His stats for us are superb. I'm certain he'd come back.

So, since you asked, there are two names from different ends of the scale. Now, is anyone finally going to tell me how long they'd give Hughes if things don't improve?

[hal9thou]

Of course, there is the possibility that Hughes might come good. Stranger things have happened. But if you've got a lot invested in the club financially, you have to face the fact that it might not, and start opening channels. Just in case.

[MYU]

I think it's more players given the time to gel and not Hughes. Players getting injured don't help which some don't mention at all.

I wasn't expecting us to gel until the end of October, but I have been impressed with the progress on the pitch, was not expecting some of our displays. If this is what we're watching now as the team is gelling, I'd loved to see other teams play us when we've gelled, we need a stable back four.

You can point some blame on him during the transfer window, it was a position that needed most attention and it's costing us now. The truth is we don't know who they went in for and what really took place?

I'm so confident that Mark Hughes will turn things around very quickly and we'll climb up the table before you know it, he's here for the long haul and it's just what this football club needs.

I could be totally wrong about Mark Hughes, but I feel the board made the right choice with him. Remember we are only 5 games into the season, and if we were to replace him now, it could send us back to square one.

[hal9thou]

So still none of the Hughes supporters can bring themsleves to name a cut off point. Good job you lot aren't running the show.

The frightening thing is the total lack of coherence in our play, and I don't think there's much confidence in Hughes in the dressing room.

Let's just hope they don't mess around otherwise it could be too late.

[1973 ranger]

Get rid the man is clueless he never reacts tactically they had three and over ran us in midfield and he cant see it, The same at Spurs they changed at half time and we never reacted and then went onto beat us. How many times can it happen before he is accountable. The man is no better than Warnock who like him or not managed to win an away game in the top flight something Agent Hughes has still not managed and he has had longer.

[Felt]

So still none of the Hughes supporters can bring themsleves to name a cut off point. Good job you lot aren't running the show.

I wouldn't call myself a Hughes supporter, as I had reservations about his appointment in the first place. He has some pretty glaring flaws as a manager. However, we've got him and his backroom staff now, sacking them will cost a small fortune, so he needs to be given until the end of November to turn it around. If we're still at the bottom of the table then, sack him, but until then we need to get behind the team.

[qprted]

WELL

WELL I WASNT IN THE SACK HUGHES BRIGADE BUT AFTER THE WEST HAM GAME I FEEL THE ONLY SENSABLE THING TO DO IS TO BRING IN HARRY BOY

I know its sounds like I am panicking but thats exactly true


IM PANICKING

[mat72]

Hang on a minute - two quick points in response to the above, both of them oft repeated by Hughes supporters. I never demanded immediate results, and Hughes tenure exceeds five games. (And while I'm at it, Will, I'm not convinced by Zamora but at the end of the day whatever any of us think about him, he does not have the same responsibility that Hughes has. We agreed to wait re Zamora judgement so let's concentrate on the matter in hand. If that's OK with you.)

Funny, isn't it, that suddenly we're a small club again after all the pre season hype and expectation on here. It seems like any only the other day people were going on and on about new stadia, training facilities and what have you. The way the club was being portrayed just a few weeks ago, you'd have got the idea that many people would have loved to manage an outfit with such prospects....

The truth of course is that we were aways a small club, but unlike many small clubs, there are people with financial interests in QPR who have massive resources at their disposal. I'm not saying they should give it all to us, I'm just pointing out that we are a small club who, in theory at least, are secure enough to have potential.

There are things about Harry - off the park things, agent things, money things - that don't smell of roses, and under all the 'cockney gaffer' persona there is no doubt that a harder version lurks. But you asked me so I'll tell you: I'd prefer to watch a QPR side managed him than one managed by Hughes. I think he would be a better bet. Would he come here? I don't think that's impossible as long as it's well this side of the window.

Someone who won a lot of respect as a manager from the doubters - like me - was Iain Dowie. I think he has a better football brain than Hughes. I think people play for him. His stats for us are superb. I'm certain he'd come back.

So, since you asked, there are two names from different ends of the scale. Now, is anyone finally going to tell me how long they'd give Hughes if things don't improve?

Lets go and get Dowie back then shall we?

[hal9thou]

Lets go and get Dowie back then shall we?

In a scenario where everyone was queing up to come here then obviously he wouldn't be my first choice.

Thing is if we end up adrift we may not have much choice: managers wont be beating down the door to get on a sinking ship. In that kind of scenario Dowie would fit the bill. He's an intelligent man and has done well for us in the past. Or do you prefer the current recipe?