Incompetence of Mark Hughes

[Marshy]

He makes Park captain, when Park is so not captain material.
And he makes Derry (my fav player after Tarbs) a vice-captain, when Derry will hardly even feature. Just great, huh?

[Geng]

Who cares who the captain is? We aren't playing cricket - they don't really have anything to do. Our most successful side recently had Adel as notional captain. It's a very 70s/80s English-football-in-the-dark-ages mentality to demand a blood and guts screaming hulk of a centre half as captain. Almost Chelseaesque. Maybe we could sign the "...Leader, Legend" himself?

[Stanley]

Not every captain is a stereotypical vocal player who barks out instructions. A good captain can be someone who simply leads by example and who commands the respect of the squad because of his footballing ability, as well as what he's achieved in the game i.e Park. Beckham was captain of England but he's never been vocal either. Taarabt in our CCC winning season is another example.

[taarabt7]

I'm not concerned about whether Park is captain or not, i'm bothered about Mark Hughes playing him on the wing!!! He's lost a yard of a pace and can't cross a ball! He should be playing in the centre!!

[jaejaxon2000]

It feels like the holidays are here with all the nuts and fruitcakes appearing on the doorstep that is this forum. Really do think that Hughes did himself a disservice by playing such a strong side minus the back 4 in a useless tourney that only would bolster QPR fans desperate for any tin cup no matter how tarnished. He set himself up for a much-deserved backlash from fair-weather fans with little knowledge of the game. He should have rested the starting XI to avoid injuries and check out the caliber of the bench. Why risk the West Ham game on Monday for this. Now the team is doubly under pressure from the media and fans to win on Monday. This is the poor management skills that I can see most assuredly above the other things.

[LBLOCK]

I see all those fans with their long career playing at the top of the game for clubs here and in Spain, internationally, Managing at that level, string of honours behind their names, all their coaching badges, having travelled the world to observe coaching methods etc, etc; are all coming out to play.
With this standard of management sitting on the stands I'm amazed we haven't won the lot.

Yes it's frustrating we've only beaten Walsall 7 games in.
Yes we've turned in 2 poor performances in those games
Yes we'd all love to have RVP up front and Germany's back 4

But chucking around words like incompetence....... F'in madness

I'll start forming my opinion after 10 games as by then you'll know if any Manager has galvanised a squad into his way of thinking. If he hadn't it doesn't mean he's incompetent; just not the right fit for the players. Although you could argue he shouldn't of signed them.
At the moment I think we'll be okay and will pick up a few good scalps along the way

[mat72]

What about your incompetence, discuss?

[Busheyboy]

Very good post.
When we signed Park, Cesar, Granero, Hoilett, etc the manager wasn't incompetent. At half time last Sunday, when we were leading Spurs and produced one of the best 45 minutes of football in recent memory, he wan't incompetent. At the end of the Chelsea game, he wasn't incompetent.
I suppose it's his fault also, we have lots of injuries. Some players are playing out of position because of this. We never thought 6 months ago, we would have some of the players, we now have. Does he deserve any credit for signing them and attracting them .Yes, in my book.
We've gone through more managers than anyone recently, lose the other night and people want him out.
Some of the posts on this thread are shameful

I see all those fans with their long career playing at the top of the game for clubs here and in Spain, internationally, Managing at that level, string of honours behind their names, all their coaching badges, having travelled the world to observe coaching methods etc, etc; are all coming out to play.
With this standard of management sitting on the stands I'm amazed we haven't won the lot.

Yes it's frustrating we've only beaten Walsall 7 games in.
Yes we've turned in 2 poor performances in those games
Yes we'd all love to have RVP up front and Germany's back 4

But chucking around words like incompetence....... F'in madness

I'll start forming my opinion after 10 games as by then you'll know if any Manager has galvanised a squad into his way of thinking. If he hadn't it doesn't mean he's incompetent; just not the right fit for the players. Although you could argue he shouldn't of signed them.
At the moment I think we'll be okay and will pick up a few good scalps along the way

[Geng]

Half this forum seem to have reacted worse to Weds night than a random Paul Hart game. Ridiculous. Hope people have calmed down a bit now they've had a few days to reflect...

[MattyRangers]

Who cares who the captain is? We aren't playing cricket - they don't really have anything to do. Our most successful side recently had Adel as notional captain. It's a very 70s/80s English-football-in-the-dark-ages mentality to demand a blood and guts screaming hulk of a centre half as captain. Almost Chelseaesque. Maybe we could sign the "...Leader, Legend" himself?

Spot on.

I think too much emphasis is put on who wears an armband. At the end of the day, any player thats a "leader" on the pitch and rallies the troops when the going gets tough is going to do that regradless of whether they have an armband on or not arent they. Theyre not going to say "I best keep quiet, I havent got the armband on". All a captain does these days is call heads or tails at the coin flip before the game.

[Marshy]

Again, the hypocrisy of some fans is showing. These very same fans were crying when Adel was captain, and now, all of a sudden, it doesnt matter who the captain is.

these fans also have difficulty understanding the fact that just because I think MH is incompetent, it is nothing to do with how this season has started. In fact, I was one of the few people who said Swansea was a freak result and we shouldn't look into it.

As for a captain having to be vocal, who said I think that? Once again, people are imagining things. And a good captain CAN make a HUGE difference. One only has to look at Roy Keane at Man Utd and how he dictated the play when on the field.

[MattyRangers]

Again, the hypocrisy of some fans is showing. These very same fans were crying when Adel was captain, and now, all of a sudden, it doesnt matter who the captain is.these fans also have difficulty understanding the fact that just because I think MH is incompetent, it is nothing to do with how this season has started. In fact, I was one of the few people who said Swansea was a freak result and we shouldn't look into it.

As for a captain having to be vocal, who said I think that? Once again, people are imagining things. And a good captain CAN make a HUGE difference. One only has to look at Roy Keane at Man Utd and how he dictated the play when on the field.

Not saying your comment was aimed at me mate, but just for the record, I never once whinged about Adel having the captain's armband. Always had the sameviews on captains, as per my last post on this thread.

[Marshy]

Not saying your comment was aimed at me mate, but just for the record, I never once whinged about Adel having the captain's armband. Always had the sameviews on captains, as per my last post on this thread.

Fair enough!

[SammyKojoe]

Think the captain does have an important role but only in certain situations. Those situations are often important. Heads dropped against Spurs when we conceded twice and when Reading Scored a 3rd to take the lead the other night. You need a Captain to pick those heads up/motivate players and get them going. Park is not that type of Captain and we look like we are going through the motions after conceding.

Easy for people not to mind Adel being Captain because we were turning teams over most weeks when he was. God forbid i mention Barton but when we were up against it and it was do or die, the home games against Arsenal and Spurs he rallied everyone and got them up for it and never let them stop. So much so that Adel was tracking back and busting a gut tackling Walker/Walcott on our own area. Or Barton in the 89th minute against Arsenal chasing and charging down a backpass and then screaming for others to respond with the same kind of effort. Which they did. That is leadership.

[sirduncs]

i was as gutted as anyone else on weds night, however now isn't the time to turn on hughes, quite the opposite. the new players all need time to gel, the injuries haven't helped, and no these aren't excuses, they are just how it is.

we need stability in order to become an established prem team. that's more important than clamouring for scalps this early on in the season when it's all still to play for. we are currently 7 points off 5th place in the table ffs, just wait and see what happens over coming games before we start reaching for the panic button!