Trying to find a positive spin on things....

[MattyRangers]

Rattled a few cages have I?


Sorry but Green was woeful, if you can't see that then you must be wearing FB's rose coloured specs!

Where has anybody said he was good? Nowhere.

But saying that our keeper, on his debut, "deserves a pasting" from our own fans? Yea, thats helping matters aint it, what a great fan - need more like you.

[Del]

Rattled a few cages have I?


Sorry but Green was woeful, if you can't see that then you must be wearing FB's rose coloured specs!

Nobody said he was good, but the fact you think it's good thing to berate him is embarrassing and pathetic. Do you actually accept that he was only at fault for 1 of the 5 goals we let in, or are you stupid enough to think because 5 went past him he must be the most responsible?

Did you berate Onouha and Hill in the same way, both directly responsible for at least 1 goal? Likewise did you berate Mackie in equal measure for missing a ridiculously easy chance from 6 yards, which cost us a goal the same as Green's mistake, or are you one of the many blinkered fans who thinks the sun shines out of his ar5e becasue he runs a lot and is beyond reproach....?

[Sotonsuperhoop]

Where has anybody said he was good? Nowhere.

But saying that our keeper, on his debut, "deserves a pasting" from our own fans? Yea, thats helping matters aint it, what a great fan - need more like you.

That's my opinion and from where I was sitting I certainly was not alone in that.

Anyway what does make a real fan as I must strive to be better?

[Sotonsuperhoop]

Nobody said he was good, but the fact you think it's good thing to berate him is embarrassing and pathetic. Do you actually accept that he was only at fault for 1 of the 5 goals we let in, or are you stupid enough to think because 5 went past him he must be the most responsible?

Did you berate Onouha and Hill in the same way, both directly responsible for at least 1 goal? Likewise did you berate Mackie in equal measure for missing a ridiculously easy chance from 6 yards, which cost us a goal the same as Green's mistake, or are you one of the many blinkered fans who thinks the sun shines out of his ar5e becasue he runs a lot and is beyond reproach....?

IMHO no one player is beyond reproach nor responsible for the team performance, but sometimes a player can be a lot worse and contribute to an overall poor team performance more than most. I am not blinkered, but I am a devoted fan who has an opinion like anyone else, just because it may differ from yours doesn't make me less of a fan. So the other 3 or 4 thousand fans who slated Green and booed the team off are pathetic too?

[MattyRangers]

IMHO no one player is beyond reproach nor responsible for the team performance, but sometimes a player can be a lot worse and contribute to an overall poor team performance more than most. I am not blinkered, but I am a devoted fan who has an opinion like anyone else, just because it may differ from yours doesn't make me less of a fan. So the other 3 or 4 thousand fans who slated Green and booed the team off are pathetic too?

I think youre missing the point here tbh. Its not the booing off of the side, nor the fact you thought Green was pony, as I think most of us agree with that. But the fact you think its fine to say that a player, on his debut, for the club you support "deserves a right pasting" from his new fans is what is being referred to as pathetic - which it is.
Not to mention the fact he was at fault for 1 goal, the defence for, argueably, the other 4 - yet I bet you werent lambasting them individually? Or think Hill deserved "a right good pasting" for his performance?

[Del]

IMHO no one player is beyond reproach nor responsible for the team performance, but sometimes a player can be a lot worse and contribute to an overall poor team performance more than most. I am not blinkered, but I am a devoted fan who has an opinion like anyone else, just because it may differ from yours doesn't make me less of a fan. So the other 3 or 4 thousand fans who slated Green and booed the team off are pathetic too?

It is pathetic if you singled him out for abuse and nobody else. He was at fault, but no more than many others. That is the point being made. Eveyrone is entitled to their opinions of course and as paying punters have a right to air their dissapointment, but to single Green out after that shambolic defensive display would be a joke. The defence were more the problem than the keeper.

I note in the team for Norwich thread you say Onouha and ferdinand should play together at CB... Do you not recall how pitiful as a pair they were last year, and how pitiful they were on Saturday when put together again? You also slated Nelsen in another post.... He is much, much better then either of them at CB.

[Sotonsuperhoop]

It is pathetic if you singled him out for abuse and nobody else. He was at fault, but no more than many others. That is the point being made. Eveyrone is entitled to their opinions of course and as paying punters have a right to air their dissapointment, but to single Green out after that shambolic defensive display would be a joke. The defence were more the problem than the keeper.

I note in the team for Norwich thread you say Onouha and ferdinand should play together at CB... Do you not recall how pitiful as a pair they were last year, and how pitiful they were on Saturday when put together again? You also slated Nelsen in another post.... He is much, much better then either of them at CB.

If you read my post on my thoughts for Norwich you will see that IMO we don't have much of a choice for CB's at the moment and that I feel Onuaha and Ferdinand are the best of a bad lot. I have not slated Nelsen just expressing an opinion that he is not the answer to our CB problems. We need 2 good CB's and quickly and I cannot understand why we have not addressed this over the summer, whereas we seem to have 100s of options upfront and in midfield.

I don't think Green was necessarily singled out by the section of fans I was in but perhaps took the brunt of everyone frustrations after the fifth goal went in. But if you were seated behind the goal in the Lower Loft you could see his positioning should have been better for at least 2 and he showed very little anticipation on where the forward was going to place the ball for the last three goals. So it could be said that he deserved such criticism as much as some think Mackie should have scored from 6 yards and have slated him

[QPR Richard]

Well as long as some fans are happy to #### off a debutant goalie that's their business. I personally don't approve but it's up to them. I think it's shameful.

[DouDou_87]

From reading you're last few posts... you've ignored Matty's very good point that the attitude 'he deserved a pasting' from the Loft is ridiculous and just detrimental to the club and team. Surely you can't actually think he deserves that?

''he showed very little anticipation on where the forward was going to place the ball for the last three goals'' So from this are you expecting our golakeepers to be a) psychic or b) dive in a direction in case the forward puts it there. Keepers react and make saves-they were 1 on 1's for gods sake- the forward is expected to score. This is the Premiership after all.

''So the other 3 or 4 thousand fans who slated Green and booed the team off are pathetic too?'' - yes, they are. If 3 or 4 thousand fans all got their knobs out and started running round the stands singing Fulham songs, would you do it too?

[Sotonsuperhoop]

If you look at the way Green moves towards Dyer, for both of his goals, you will see that he moves to a central position and stops, which allows Dyer to choose either side to shoot. If he continues towards the forward he may close one angle down forcing the forward to go the other way, possible pushing him onto a weaker foot and causing him to shoot earlier than he would like,perhaps forcing a mistake, thus reducing the odds for a goal. Dyer may well have still scored but I would have liked Green to have reduced the options.

Green was at fault for the first goal, flapped around for a couple of crosses when Swansea hit the bar, so all in all not a good day.

Football and message boards are all about opinions, pity some don't see it that way

[w12dave]

Rob Green was s h i t but he will get better, yeah he will. It stupid to start hurling abuse at your own player, it not gonna do his confidence any good.

[silvercue]

Green is not a very good keeper IMHO, so not suprised if he made some mistakes, I wasn't over the moon when we signed him.

As for the booing debate - people are always devided. I think that there is a rare place for it at games and I booed JB last season, I also think the fact it changed his season justifies that it is not always bad for the club when it happens. But a debut is a big game for a player - this could make or break him, but they are professionals, so if they are good at their sport, and that includes handling pressure, they will come back strong and not let it affect them.

As I said earlier - every paying fan is entitled to their opinion, don't think they should be called pathetic if it does not agree with yours.

[loftlag]

If you look at the way Green moves towards Dyer, for both of his goals, you will see that he moves to a central position and stops, which allows Dyer to choose either side to shoot. If he continues towards the forward he may close one angle down forcing the forward to go the other way, possible pushing him onto a weaker foot and causing him to shoot earlier than he would like,perhaps forcing a mistake, thus reducing the odds for a goal. Dyer may well have still scored but I would have liked Green to have reduced the options.

Green was at fault for the first goal, flapped around for a couple of crosses when Swansea hit the bar, so all in all not a good day.

Football and message boards are all about opinions, pity some don't see it that way

I think your'e saying Green did not use and command his area very well and I make you right on that point, it's critism but still a valid point and certainly not slating just an opinion .
But where I make you wrong is is your post regarding Nelson he is a very exspirience player that might have had an influence to stop the Kamikazi 90 mile a hour start we made in sweltering heat that coused the players to run out of puff in the second half

[Del]

But where I make you wrong is is your post regarding Nelson he is a very exspirience player that might have had an influence to stop the Kamikazi 90 mile a hour start we made in sweltering heat that coused the players to run out of puff in the second half

He would've also put in a better defensive display than anyone who was playing!

[loftlag]

He would've also put in a better defensive display than anyone who was playing!

Quite poss ,with derry not playing there was nobody to take a captains role ,somehow I dont see Park as a captain and that's not meant as slating just a view of course Park can wear the arm band just as Tarbs did but we all knew Derry pulled the strings