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  • #16
    Green
    Fabio Nelson Hill Traore
    Park Diakite Ehmer/Doughty Hoilet
    Zamorra Cisse

    Green gets his chance to improve himself
    No Ferdinand, needs to work on basic ethics of defending first, so Nelsen and Hill for no nonsense defending
    Traore, hope he is fit by next saturday, brings speed and our best crosser, which helps when having Zamora and Cisse upfront time for MH to recognize this.
    Taarabt in away games is too tricky IMHO, bring him on if the game does aks for his special skills
    No Bosigwa, will have to get some fitness first and getting to know the squad
    Yes, you read it fine, one the youngsters Doughty or Ehmer, they played well during pre season and play their hearts out.
    And don't give me that crap of PL experience bullish.., too much players doing great without it.
    Fabio is a RB first and after that a LB or central Midfield player.
    Park and Hoilet goes without saying, did btw anyone else notice Hoilet held back cause Tarbs was too demanding (selfish) on the ball ?
    Cisse and Zamora obvious, one holding the ball the other one working off that.
    From Holland with love

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    • #17
      Ehmer is a left back isnt he?
      You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MattyRangers View Post
        Green
        Bosingwa Nelson Anton Traore
        Park Diakite Tarbs Hoilet
        Zamora Cisse.
        Since when has Adel been a center midfielder ?

        I know there are some on here that cant contemplate a team without him, but that's taking the ****.

        -------------------- Green --------------------
        -- Bosingwa -- Nelson -- Anton -- Traore --
        -- SWP/Mackie -- Park -- Diakite - Hoilet --
        ------------------- Zamora -------------------
        --------------- Cisse --------------------------

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        • #19
          Originally posted by paulmason View Post
          Since when has Adel been a center midfielder ?

          I know there are some on here that cant contemplate a team without him, but that's taking the ****.
          -------------------- Green --------------------
          -- Bosingwa -- Nelson -- Anton -- Traore --
          -- SWP/Mackie -- Park -- Diakite - Hoilet --
          ------------------- Zamora -------------------
          --------------- Cisse --------------------------
          Taking the pis$$ because my opinion differs from your own? IMHO, Id have Adel CM alot sooner than SWP or Mackie on the right. Tarbs is by far and away the most creative player we have and he works alot harder for the side now than he used it, IMO, its a myth that he cant play CM. With Diakite playing as the "anchor" sitting in front of the back 4 I see no reason at all why we shouldnt have our msot creative and skilful player in CM alongside him.
          You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MattyRangers View Post
            Taking the pis$$ because my opinion differs from your own? IMHO, Id have Adel CM alot sooner than SWP or Mackie on the right. Tarbs is by far and away the most creative player we have and he works alot harder for the side now than he used it, IMO, its a myth that he cant play CM. With Diakite playing as the "anchor" sitting in front of the back 4 I see no reason at all why we shouldnt have our msot creative and skilful player in CM alongside him.
            No, not because your opinion is different to mine, because he is not a CM, but you put him there so he gets a game because he is out most creative and skilful player.

            I think his best position is being the striker but would rather play with Zamora after watching him play on Saturday.

            Its funny how Onahura and Hill should be dropped for not having a good game, but Adel should be played in a different position ?
            Last edited by paulmason; 20-08-2012, 08:48 AM.

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            • #21
              Adel cm.... Cue a beating if he plays there..
              http://twitter.com/Mellowhoop

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              • #22
                Originally posted by paulmason View Post
                No, not because your opinion is different to mine, because he is not a CM, but you put him there so he gets a game because he is out most creative and skilful player.

                I think his best position is being the striker but would rather play with Zamora after watching him play on Saturday.

                Its funny how Onahura and Hill should be dropped for not having a good game, but Adel should be played in a different position ?
                We need Zamora to play because when he doesnt we near enough lose the effect of Cisse, Cisse needs the big man to play his own game on the shoulder of their last man.
                Tarbs is more than capable of playing CM IMO and he wasnt as bad as Onouha or Hill Saturday. The defence was an absolute shambles and needs sorting ASAP - Nelson, for me, is a better version of Hill and Bosingwa a better RB by a long way than Onouha, hense why I would play them. With the players available to us, Tarbs is the best option in the middle alongside Diakite. Again, just my opinion, yours differs, thats fine.
                You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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                • #23
                  ---------green
                  Onuoha Anton Hill Traore
                  Johnson Park Diakite Hoilett
                  --------BZ Cisse

                  4-4-2 with BZ giving us an option to play long when needed. He can hold it up and bring Cisse into play. Give Johnson a run out on the right, know he's a CF by trade but can play there and hit net if he gets a chance.

                  SWP, AT, Mackie, all on the bench. If we brought in another CB and he's fit I'd drop Anton before hill.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MattyRangers View Post
                    We need Zamora to play because when he doesnt we near enough lose the effect of Cisse, Cisse needs the big man to play his own game on the shoulder of their last man.
                    Tarbs is more than capable of playing CM IMO and he wasnt as bad as Onouha or Hill Saturday. The defence was an absolute shambles and needs sorting ASAP - Nelson, for me, is a better version of Hill and Bosingwa a better RB by a long way than Onouha, hense why I would play them. With the players available to us, Tarbs is the best option in the middle alongside Diakite. Again, just my opinion, yours differs, thats fine.
                    Matty, Adels best position is the free role (the clue is in the number on the back of his shirt) behind a striker, he played on Saturday and made a pigs ear of it and now most people want Zamora & Cisse up front. Some say play Adel in CM or on the wing (anywhere as long as he plays), others say bench him, but the fact is if he played well in the position created for him on Saturday, we would not be having this discussion.
                    Last edited by paulmason; 20-08-2012, 09:23 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Taarabt is not a centre midfielder. He can't tackle, win a header and won't track back.
                      If hes to play in a free role again it should be with Zamora as the front man.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by supahoopsaaa View Post
                        Taarabt is not a centre midfielder. He can't tackle, win a header and won't track back.
                        If hes to play in a free role again it should be with Zamora as the front man.
                        This is the problem, as I cant see MH not starting with Cisse and if fit, Hoilett will play on the left and Mackie/SWP will play on the right, so where will Adel play, as all he done on Saturday was show everyone we need to start with Zamora up front to support Cisse.

                        -- SWP/Mackie -- Park -- Diakite - Hoilet --
                        ------------------- Zamora -------------------
                        --------------- Cisse or Johnson -------------

                        or

                        --- Park --- Faurlin --- Diakite ---- Hoilet ---
                        ------------------- Zamora -------------------
                        --------------- Cisse or Johnson -------------
                        Last edited by paulmason; 20-08-2012, 10:01 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by paulmason View Post
                          Matty, Adels best position is the free role (the clue is in the number on the back of his shirt) behind a striker, he played on Saturday and made a pigs ear of it and now most people want Zamora & Cisse up front. Some say play Adel in CM or on the wing (anywhere as long as he plays), others say bench him, but the fact is if he played well in the position created for him on Saturday, we would not be having this discussion.
                          Do you honestly base his best position on the number of the shirt he wears?! What makes you say that is his best position? If it was i doubt he would have made a "pigs ear out of it" He played the free role saturday and did okay on the ball but looked a little lost. He came far to deep to pick the ball up of a centre back or went out wide to get it. I know he has a free role but the idea is that he is free in advanced and dangerous positions and not next to Anton collecting the ball. So i cannot see the logic that it is his best position when he has little idea on how to play and utilise it?

                          Towards the end of last season on the left he played very well. Would have him here and play Cisse and Bobby Z up top. At the end of the day Cisse is our best/most dangerous player and players/formations should be based around him to get the best out of him which is goals goals and more goals.
                          Last edited by SammyKojoe; 20-08-2012, 10:46 AM.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SammyKojoe View Post

                            Do you honestly base his best position on the number of the shirt he wears?! What makes you say that is his best position? If it was i doubt he would have made a "pigs ear out of it" He played the free role saturday and did okay on the ball but looked a little lost. He came far to deep to pick the ball up of a centre back or went out wide to get it. I know he has a free role but the idea is that he is free in advanced and dangerous positions and not next to Anton collecting the ball. So i cannot see the logic that it is his best position when he has little idea on how to play and utilise it?

                            Towards the end of last season on the left he played very well. Would have him here and play Cisse and Bobby Z up top. At the end of the day Cisse is our best/most dangerous player and players/formations should be based around him to get the best out of him which is goals goals and more goals.
                            QPR FC announced his signing and being given the number 10 shirt with pictures/video of Stan Bowles, March, Wegerle etc, not me.............. and yes, the No 10 shirt at W12 does kinda mean a gifted, attacking type player, but I am sure you know that but just fancy having a pop.

                            Its his best position because he can go walkabout (what he does best), not leaving someone behind him exposed, not upsetting the shape and balance of the team. Adel is the perfect player to play behind the striker, but he has to be disciplined, not do what he wants.

                            The fact you mention "but looked a little lost" and "He came far to deep" confirm he made a pigs ear and was not the link between the midfield and striker he is supposed to be. Kinda like saying the CB was up top with the striker.

                            Hoilett is a better option on the left, so forget that spot unless he is injured.

                            MH said " “I have a fair idea of what happened here. We’ll address that and, if we need to, we will make changes" and as the problems were at the back and front, at Norwich, we will have Boswinga and Traore at the back, with Cisse and Zamora up front.

                            And once again, its funny how the same old faces will do/say anything to justify a spot for Adel in the team.
                            Last edited by paulmason; 20-08-2012, 11:16 AM.

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                            • #29
                              Adel is not our only game changing player now... Therefore he doesn't have a right to start every game... Teams will target him... I hope sparky doesn't feel he has to play.
                              http://twitter.com/Mellowhoop

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by paulmason View Post
                                QPR FC announced his signing and being given the number 10 shirt with pictures/video of Stan Bowles, March, Wegerle etc, not me..............

                                Its his best position because he can go walkabout (what he does best), not leaving someone behind him exposed.........

                                The fact you mention "but looked a little lost" and "He came far to deep" confirm he made a pigs ear and was not the link between the midfield and striker he is supposed to be.

                                Hoilett is a better option on the left, so forget that spot unless he is injured.

                                And once again, its funny how the same old faces will do anything to find a spot for Adel in the team.
                                That is my point. He did not even know where he should be most of the time and never once linked play between the midfield/attack. So it can't be his best position if he has no clue on how to play in it surely?! Just because he can go walkabout does not make it his best position. It would only become his best position if we was effective in it. Which on Saturday he was not.

                                If he played 20 games there last season and was brilliant then yes it is his best position. But if that is the first time he has played that role in the Premiership in a QPR shirt i am not sure how the conclusion is made that it's his best position. As you say he made a pigs ear of it so something does not add up.

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