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[HammersmithR]

But we've still had more England internationals than them!

[qblockoompah]

fair enough,as i say its all about opinions.Me, i will follow west ham whatever league we are in.,its in my blood.I`m sure your the same with QPR..You say the sky is the limit for you now,so out of curiosity what do you expect to achieve during this "skys the limit " period ?

What I hope we achieve I the short term is stability both on an off the pitch , not fighting relegation, not having a revolving door on managers office etc

Within next 5-10 years I can see us qualifying for Europe, maybe producing some
home grown talent, expanding the stadium, becoming known a bit more across the globe, having a youth setup we can be proud of, and being taken seriously by other clubs and the media. I want my sons to support a club that everyone knows about, at my secondary school I was the only kid out of 1000 that supported QPR, maybe by the time my boys are that age their schools will have a few more QPR fans than mine did

[qblockoompah]

This QPR fan has got his feet firmly on the ground,well I'll be truely sulking if we don't win the champions league next season ffs.realistically mid table finish with a decent cup run would do me

I'd chew your arm off for mid table and a cup run, finishing 17th would be an improvement but I honestly think midtable is well within our grasp with 2-3 decent signings

[hammer]

But we've still had more England internationals than them!

is that so Hammersmith ?? i`d like proof of that please..I take it its written we have had more internationals than you globally..

[hammer]

What I hope we achieve I the short term is stability both on an off the pitch , not fighting relegation, not having a revolving door on managers office etc

Within next 5-10 years I can see us qualifying for Europe, maybe producing some
home grown talent, expanding the stadium, becoming known a bit more across the globe, having a youth setup we can be proud of, and being taken seriously by other clubs and the media. I want my sons to support a club that everyone knows about, at my secondary school I was the only kid out of 1000 that supported QPR, maybe by the time my boys are that age their schools will have a few more QPR fans than mine did

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are you sure your desribing QPR tho ??

[vanhoop]

I'd chew your arm off for mid table and a cup run, finishing 17th would be an improvement but I honestly think midtable is well within our grasp with 2-3 decent signings

evil bugger,i type with my toes

[hammer]

But we've still had more England internationals than them!

hammersmith - according to these stats you are wrong mate..

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/Clubs/WestHamUnited.html

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/Clubs/QPR.html

As you can see these records only go up to 2005.I can add Dean ashton.rob green,carlton cole,kieron dyer(played once while with us)scott parker and matthew upson.Making a total of 37 hammers.Remember this is players who were actually capped whilst playing at your club..Over to you ...

[W12hoops]

A QPR fan criticising West Ham's academy surely is on thin ice..... Our 'academy' over the last years have been based on bringing in average italians due to Paladini's recommendation.
But saying that you pick a chairman based on the way he supports his team is very, very deluded too - if thats the case there wouldn't be many clubs around the world that would avoid liquidation. A chairman should be a wise, entrepreneurial, know the culture of the game and be approachable to the fans(like you said hammer) just as TF is. As I am not familiar with Sullivan and Gold's way of handling things over at your place I won't comment on how their acting a chairman of West ham.

[hammer]

A QPR fan criticising West Ham's academy surely is on thin ice..... Our 'academy' over the last years have been based on bringing in average italians due to Paladini's recommendation.
But saying that you pick a chairman based on the way he supports his team is very, very deluded too - if thats the case there wouldn't be many clubs around the world that would avoid liquidation. A chairman should be a wise, entrepreneurial, know the culture of the game and be approachable to the fans(like you said hammer) just as TF is. As I am not familiar with Sullivan and Gold's way of handling things over at your place I won't comment on how their acting a chairman of West ham.

When west ham were up for sale TF kept twittering and messaging our fans that he was going to rescue our club and buy us.This went on for a fair while,claiming he was a life long fan and so on(no one i know had ever seen him at a west ham game).He never got close to buying us in truth,perhaps he never had the money ? i dont know,but to me he was all hot air and full of false promises.Gold &Sullivan (G &S) put their money where their mouth was and saved our bacon,We was and still are to an extent in financial trouble,so to me as a west ham fan who loves my club and lives in the real world i am grateful my club was saved(same as you guys would have felt when flavio/bernie saved you at the time).What i do know is G&S have a wealth of experience of running a football club whereas TF never(though he has 1 year now).G&S care about west ham FC and its fans.I believe their heart is in the right place where the club is concerned.As a fan thats all i ask.They are very wealthy men in their own right.As a fan i prefered them over TF as they had the vital know how and experience to rescue us.

[brightonr]

Can't argue with you mate on that explanation.

What I would say though is that I doubt either TF or Amit Bhatia were ever close to being fans of QPR prior to their involvement, by by god, they are now. They have the bug mate.

What they may lack in Football experience, they more than make up for in Business experience, decency, honesty and a desire to do the right things in the right way, in order to make us successful. And I for one believe that they are going to deliver in a most spectacular way over the years ahead. And the majority of R's fans can see already that they are well on the way. Even just by looking at the calibre of behind the scenes personnel they have brought in to achieve these goals.

I have no animosity towards West Ham at all, but I doubt that in 5 years you will be anywhere near the level we are at.

Lets not forget that our local rivals are both established premier league clubs and therefore West Ham will never be seen as great rivals or disliked that much. I'd stick to baiting Orient fans if I were you.

[stainrodisalegend]

Actually West Ham were about the one London club that Ive never disliked (not counting the clubs you dont really think about from one year to the next like Orient, Brentford, Charlton and prob Millwall other than for their #### fans). But I did go off them when I read some blog by a West Ham fan who seemed to write about us pretty well every day and it cropped up on the "news now qpr" search so you cdnt get away from it. tbf some west ham fans started attacking him and asking him why he was so obsessed. but the way he was convinced we wd go down and was longing for us to implode and his obvious jealousy and sense of entitlement did little to enhance the previous good reputation of west ham. for all this qpr v west ham talk i wd say that both clubs prob have more in common traditionally than some wd like to admit...

[W12hoops]

When west ham were up for sale TF kept twittering and messaging our fans that he was going to rescue our club and buy us.This went on for a fair while,claiming he was a life long fan and so on(no one i know had ever seen him at a west ham game).He never got close to buying us in truth,perhaps he never had the money ? i dont know,but to me he was all hot air and full of false promises.Gold &Sullivan (G &S) put their money where their mouth was and saved our bacon,We was and still are to an extent in financial trouble,so to me as a west ham fan who loves my club and lives in the real world i am grateful my club was saved(same as you guys would have felt when flavio/bernie saved you at the time).What i do know is G&S have a wealth of experience of running a football club whereas TF never(though he has 1 year now).G&S care about west ham FC and its fans.I believe their heart is in the right place where the club is concerned.As a fan thats all i ask.They are very wealthy men in their own right.As a fan i prefered them over TF as they had the vital know how and experience to rescue us.

Fair comment.

What worries me atm is this bubble every single Rangers fan lives in, what if TF suddenly reveals what really is (if there is anything) behind this ideal display of a football club (which as we speak seems perfect) - and has set this whole club in new debts to his investors from Malaysia, Thailand or whichever country they are from - these thoughts are running through my mind every time a see a comment of us now being a 'big football club'. We are not a big football club, our club is far away from standing on it's own feet, without the money Swordfish Investments (Amit, Mittal & co), TF and the asian investors has put into our club we would be in serious debt(based on what wages we were and are paying out). We need a solid infrastructure, we are too big for our own shoes as we speak - we seriously need that new stadium and we need to improve our position in the Premier League if any of the shareholders are going to get any revenue of the money they've invested. What I realised after watching Amit speak today was how far we have to go before we can call ourselves a 'big and stable football club' and the journey there will have it's ups and downs but if Tony does what he's kept on saying I definately think we can reach our destination.

[dcqpr]

Most of the famous West Ham academy were stolen from clubs like Leyton Orient.They were never spotted by them it was the smaller clubs who did the legwork.

[hammer]

Fair comment.

What worries me atm is this bubble every single Rangers fan lives in, what if TF suddenly reveals what really is (if there is anything) behind this ideal display of a football club (which as we speak seems perfect) - and has set this whole club in new debts to his investors from Malaysia, Thailand or whichever country they are from - these thoughts are running through my mind every time a see a comment of us now being a 'big football club'. We are not a big football club, our club is far away from standing on it's own feet, without the money Swordfish Investments (Amit, Mittal & co), TF and the asian investors has put into our club we would be in serious debt(based on what wages we were and are paying out). We need a solid infrastructure, we are too big for our own shoes as we speak - we seriously need that new stadium and we need to improve our position in the Premier League if any of the shareholders are going to get any revenue of the money they've invested. What I realised after watching Amit speak today was how far we have to go before we can call ourselves a 'big and stable football club' and the journey there will have it's ups and downs but if Tony does what he's kept on saying I definately think we can reach our destination.

Top post.1 of the best, most rational posts i`ve seen on here.

[hammer]

Most of the famous West Ham academy were stolen from clubs like Leyton Orient.They were never spotted by them it was the smaller clubs who did the legwork.

Nonsence ! ALL clubs poach/nick a promising youngster now and then from other clubs.However west ham have produced more than our fair share of home produced talent down the years.Cottee,Ince,Dickens,Rio,Anton,J cole,Carrick,Tomkins,Noble,Collison,Lampard to name a few .I could add Sir Trevor Brooking and the guvnor Bobby Moore...Enough said !!