Barton in nightclub brawl

[paulmason]

I've not seen anything official, the only report I found said he would have been done for death by dangerous driving. THat may have included being over the limit, but it didnt mention it. It's not something I'd heard.

It was crass enough to use Ray Jones death as a defence of Joey Barton, but exaggeration wasn't necessary on top of that.

If he had not died, Ray Jones would have been in prison for causing death by dangerous driving, yet we have some clowns on here who start a RIP Ray thread once a year.

[Geng]

Ray Jones was drink-driving? I thought it was dangerous driving? And three people (including himself) not five?

Nobody thinks Ray was a saint (he made a terrible error, that cost him and his friends their lives), but lets not start exaggerating the 'crimes' of a dead teenager, just to defend someone like Joey Barton......

Sorry, dangerous driving rather than drink driving. And I said he killed several people, which he did, not five people. Like that makes a huge difference.

Why exactly have you put 'crimes' in quotes? The coroner said that he'd be tried if he had survived. He might well be a Lee Hughes-style pariah scratching round for a contract in league2, rather than a sentimental memory for Rangers fans.

Seems to me you're the one playing down a crime here. Joey's never killed anyone, and by the sounds of things he certainly didn't last night.

All I'm doing is highlighting the fact that many of our fans have clearly long since made up their minds on Barton ("defend someone like Joey Barton"), which leads them to rush to judgement in cases like this whilst ignoring far worse things that other players have done.

Honestly, all you people who think Barton is an irredeemable thug: before last night, did you really think he would let two drunken blokes start on him when out with his wife, not react, and not throw punches himself? Surely he was supposed to turn into the Incredible Hulk and gouge out his assailants eyes?

Shouldn't this incident make us look upon Barton.... more favourably?

(unless you go along with the whole 'he shouldn't be there/have a life anyway argument, which is laughable)

[paulmason]

Sorry, dangerous driving rather than drink driving. And I said he killed several people, which he did, not five people. Like that makes a huge difference.

Why exactly have you put 'crimes' in quotes? The coroner said that he'd be tried if he had survived. He might well be a Lee Hughes-style pariah scratching round for a contract in league2, rather than a sentimental memory for Rangers fans.

Seems to me you're the one playing down a crime here. Joey's never killed anyone, and by the sounds of things he certainly didn't last night.

All I'm doing is highlighting the fact that many of our fans have clearly long since made up their minds on Barton ("defend someone like Joey Barton"), which leads them to rush to judgement in cases like this whilst ignoring far worse things that other players have done.

Honestly, all you people who think Barton is an irredeemable thug: before last night, did you really think he would let two drunken blokes start on him when out with his wife, not react, and not throw punches himself? Surely he was supposed to turn into the Incredible Hulk and gouge out his assailants eyes?

Shouldn't this incident make us look upon Barton.... more favourably?

(unless you go along with the whole 'he shouldn't be there/have a life anyway argument, which is laughable)

I am going to video theses clowns who sit near me next season as they despise JB so much, its embarrassing the way they are up and down like a #####s draws shouting at him every time he touches a ball or makes a mistake. They even don't seem to like it when he scores, which is kinda weird.

[DeepcutHoop]

I'm done debating the Joey Barton thing on this board, at least until the club announces what is happening on Friday.

If the standard is, well is hasn't killed anyone like Ray Jones, then sensible discussions have been exhausted.

I've been fairly level headed in this thread, but this is just too much now.

Ray Jones, did something very very stupid (and yes criminal), and he paid for it with his life. Very sadly he took his friends, and their collective future with him which is tragic.

All I'm asking for is for Joey Barton to be removed from the football club, I'm not asking for him to be jailed, and I'm not saying he was in any way to blame for this mornings incident (as I've previously stated on here).

The unequivocal defence of Barton is one thing, but the ridiculous arguments used, and the name-calling etc of those who want him gone is just unpalatable now.

[vblockranger]

I'm done debating the Joey Barton thing on this board, at least until the club announces what is happening on Friday.

If the standard is, well is hasn't killed anyone like Ray Jones, then sensible discussions have been exhausted.

I've been fairly level headed in this thread, but this is just too much now.

Ray Jones, did something very very stupid (and yes criminal), and he paid for it with his life. Very sadly he took his friends, and their collective future with him which is tragic.

All I'm asking for is for Joey Barton to be removed from the football club, I'm not asking for him to be jailed, and I'm not saying he was in any way to blame for this mornings incident (as I've previously stated on here).

The unequivocal defence of Barton is one thing, but the ridiculous arguments used, and the name-calling etc of those who want him gone is just unpalatable now.

good...do one.

[paulmason]

I'm done debating the Joey Barton thing on this board, at least until the club announces what is happening on Friday.

If the standard is, well is hasn't killed anyone like Ray Jones, then sensible discussions have been exhausted.

I've been fairly level headed in this thread, but this is just too much now.

Ray Jones, did something very very stupid (and yes criminal), and he paid for it with his life. Very sadly he took his friends, and their collective future with him which is tragic.

All I'm asking for is for Joey Barton to be removed from the football club, I'm not asking for him to be jailed, and I'm not saying he was in any way to blame for this mornings incident (as I've previously stated on here).

The unequivocal defence of Barton is one thing, but the ridiculous arguments used, and the name-calling etc of those who want him gone is just unpalatable now.

Another Drama Queen (please see earlier definitions), as from what I have read, no one has said "the standard is, well is hasn't killed anyone like Ray Jones" all someone pointed out was that when Ray Jones killed three people at 5.00am in the morning, he was a saint and no one on WATRBs said Jones 'disgraced the club'.

[Connell10]

Apologists??!! you and a few others on here have the nerve to call us apologists?? Its namby pamby lefties like yourself are the reason this country is the dustbin of the world where all the rubbish turns up and, is given more rights than the honest citizens in this country, now go and knit a tank top and wring your hands over poor abu hamsa being deported where he could heaven forbid face real justice for his crimes

mate what you on?

[mat72]

Barton is innocent... Ok

[QPRDave]

No, but maybe I should...

"Barton spurns pursuant in gay nightclub shocker"

[Connell10]

fock me i forgot how ever single issue on here gets turned into a political debate about left and right! ITS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOCKING BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Harps 55]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/7794824/Barton-won-t-press-charges

[Connell10]

Thank god for that, now we can close this thread! im off to watch spring watch now, oh i do hope the #### have fledged!

[QPRDave]

mate what you on?

What i'm on is some on here accuse me of being an apologist for JB when they spend their sad lives apologising to every non british person in this country for either the behaviour of the british in the past or for following our cultural customs like christmas or simply flying the flag of our country. That is a bit rich in my book to accuse me of being an apologist, when the person i'm defending was attacked and walked away.
This country is in a confusing mess because of left wing policies that are a absurd and have actually made it illegal to tell certain jokes to deporting criminals out of this country.

[Mattyqpr]

Not really. The thread is more about JB in general, last night just being the latest event. The point being made is he's made a target of himself, on and off the pitch. Events like last night will keep happening because JB is an extremely hated figure. You only have to see the amount of daily vitriolic abuse he gets on twitter to see that. So is he worth all the hassle and grief it brings to the club? I guess we'll know the answer to that this friday when the result of the club's internal investigation is due to be announced.

He's been a target on and off the pitch since he was playing at City! What are all these incidents that have caused trouble to our team since being here? I'm talking facts here not rumours, list them to me?

Why do people take Twitter so seriously?! Do you not think Joey is on there to kill time and annoy people? It's called having a laugh, people who take Twitter seriously need to get out the house and get a life! People will give Joey abuse for a laugh too, people need to get a grip and realise social networking isn't the real world!

[Gtleighsr3]

joey was in a smiths t shirt and clashed with 2 lads in stone roses t shirts.got messy till some lads in happy monday tops dnaced in and broke it up bez style.