lets get behind barton

[DeepcutHoop]

Deepcut,

You are not one who is usually prone to over reaction. What he did to Aguero was wrong, I think we can all agree on that. However, a few pertinent questions that may help to illustrate how some of us see it.

Did JB deserve to get sent off against Norwich, for not butting Johnson? No, but he should have known better than to go nose to nose with him. I maintain that Bradley Johnson is a ****my cheat.

What was Johnson's punishment for all his persistent fouling? Nothing,, as you know.

Did Derry deserve to get sent off against United? No, he was cheated.

What was Young's punishment for his blatant dive? Nothing, except the condemnation of the media, and fans everywhere, including his own for the most part.

Was what Cisse got sent off for against Wolves that bad, considering what he had just suffered? Understandable, but a deserved red, given the rules.

What punishment did the Wolves player get? Not sure, should have been yellow.

Whilst Barton should have been sent off for elbowing Tevez, (as it's never going to be acceptable behaviour), should Tevez not have been penalised for the original offence? Because if he had, none of what happened afterwards, would have happened at all. Ideally yes, obviously.

Surely, what Kompany did was also at the very least a yellow, but borderline red as I think body checking other players like that was many times worse than what Cisse did. Potentially, but Barton's continued reaction meant it got lost in the melee.

I fully agree that he let both himself and the club down that day, but what some of us find hard to understand is the speed at which some vilify their own players, particularly when a case could be made that in fact, if the appropriate actions had been taken, none of the above would have ended in a Rangers player getting sent off.

Surely you can see that the club have a very good case to show the FA that their appointed officials and their subsequent decisions at the appeals, are in fact the things that are bringing our game into disrepute. I for one, am sick of it.

I disagree with your last points. We have got no argument for what Barton did. We can argue that Tevez should have been punished, but that's about it.

I'm not over-reacting to this at all. If Barton had just walked off the pitch this would barely be being discussed tbf. We'd be irritated at Tevez, and frustrated by the 4 match ban. But thanks to Barton losing his temper again, we've lost a player costing us tens of thousands a week, until a quarter of the season is passed. And potentially we're lucky it's only that many.

[Junior]

Good post. Justice for Joey.

I think a massive flag with this written on it would look great!

JUSTICE FOR JOEY!!!!

[TBLOCKRANGER]

If the club do get rid of Joey and he amazingly goes to a "bigger" club, I would put my mortgage on it that he would be tweeting about what a tinpot club we were.

I don't think he knows the meaning of loyalty.

Let's back the club as we always have, we are not like the SC** supporters who have always put individual players before the club, they have always looked for legends in order to justify their existence and support of a none entity of a club.

We all support QPR and I will back the board and manager.

[vblockranger]

I think a massive flag with this written on it would look great!

JUSTICE FOR JOEY!!!!

think we should give him a song too for the first few games of the season to show we havent forgotten his sacrifice...only one Joey Berton

[QPRDave]

vblock instead of the kaiser chiefs ruby ruby ruby you could have joey joey joey...............................i ain't got no further!!!

[brightonr]

I disagree with your last points. We have got no argument for what Barton did. We can argue that Tevez should have been punished, but that's about it.

I'm not over-reacting to this at all. If Barton had just walked off the pitch this would barely be being discussed tbf. We'd be irritated at Tevez, and frustrated by the 4 match ban. But thanks to Barton losing his temper again, we've lost a player costing us tens of thousands a week, until a quarter of the season is passed. And potentially we're lucky it's only that many.

Thanks for the response mate.

Just seems to me that this has been blown up out of all proportion.

A player has lost his rag on the pitch. Not great, but that's it.

And as you have agreed above, the Tevez incident should have been his first sending off for us this season. The first almost certainly cost us 3 points. We then lost him for a number of games. All factors that played a part in our bad run. All could have been avoided if the FA had at least admitted the first was a mistake and penalised the ref and not our player.

Once again, they penalise QPR. Aren't you fed up with it yet too?

[QPRDave]

Thanks for the response mate.

Just seems to me that this has been blown up out of all proportion.

A player has lost his rag on the pitch. Not great, but that's it.

And as you have agreed above, the Tevez incident should have been his first sending off for us this season. The first almost certainly cost us 3 points. We then lost him for a number of games. All factors that played a part in our bad run. All could have been avoided if the FA had at least admitted the first was a mistake and penalised the ref and not our player.

Once again, they penalise QPR. Aren't you fed up with it yet too?

he'll tell you that you're making up conspiracy theories :leaking:

[Mellowhoop]

With a Swansea and an everton fan tonight.. Swansea fan who was at the home game said he was the best player on the pitch and we need him... Everton fan said he loves Barton and liked what he did... Save joey barton

[DeepcutHoop]

Thanks for the response mate.

Just seems to me that this has been blown up out of all proportion.

A player has lost his rag on the pitch. Not great, but that's it.

And as you have agreed above, the Tevez incident should have been his first sending off for us this season. The first almost certainly cost us 3 points. We then lost him for a number of games. All factors that played a part in our bad run. All could have been avoided if the FA had at least admitted the first was a mistake and penalised the ref and not our player.

Once again, they penalise QPR. Aren't you fed up with it yet too?

He's our player, of course it punishes us as well.

Barton retaliated to a violent act by Tevez. In doing so he risked the first offense not being seen. This happens often in games. If he'd walked off the pitch, he would have been chastised for retaliating and the impact it had on the game. The media may even have focussed on Tevez's provocation. That the media attention focussed on him and the FA ban punishes him (and us) so badly is completely his own fault. He lost his temper. Again. It's got him into trouble time and again over the years.

He's not the first player to have been harshly carded, while someone else who should have gone stays on the pitch. He's the first I can recall for a long time that has lost it so spectacularly on his way off. (I'm thinking Franny Lee & Norman Hunter as a classic one- fistfight to get sent off, and continued it as they left the field)

We've had our share of bad luck, but so have a lot of teams. We just don't see it or pay attention, or care what happens to them, unless it affects us, for the most part. That always makes it look like we were being picked on. See what Bolton fans think after the goal they conceded on the final day. I'm sure they feel hard done by too.

And yes Dave, this FA conspiracy theory is utter nonsense. A couple of our red cards have been ridiculously harsh. Most of them haven't.
The FA are not picking on us, they weren't trying to relegate us.

[stainrodisalegend]

He's our player, of course it punishes us as well.

Barton retaliated to a violent act by Tevez. In doing so he risked the first offense not being seen. This happens often in games. If he'd walked off the pitch, he would have been chastised for retaliating and the impact it had on the game. The media may even have focussed on Tevez's provocation. That the media attention focussed on him and the FA ban punishes him (and us) so badly is completely his own fault. He lost his temper. Again. It's got him into trouble time and again over the years.

He's not the first player to have been harshly carded, while someone else who should have gone stays on the pitch. He's the first I can recall for a long time that has lost it so spectacularly on his way off. (I'm thinking Franny Lee & Norman Hunter as a classic one- fistfight to get sent off, and continued it as they left the field)

We've had our share of bad luck, but so have a lot of teams. We just don't see it or pay attention, or care what happens to them, unless it affects us, for the most part. That always makes it look like we were being picked on. See what Bolton fans think after the goal they conceded on the final day. I'm sure they feel hard done by too.

And yes Dave, this FA conspiracy theory is utter nonsense. A couple of our red cards have been ridiculously harsh. Most of them haven't.
The FA are not picking on us, they weren't trying to relegate us.

Good last paragraph. Some of the red cards were clearly harsh (particularly the Derry one) but collectively they show the rampant ill-discipline that Warnock clearly allowed at the club while he was in Cornwall and his coaches were on the sauce. Which is why Hughes has felt it necessary to write a club rule book, right down to what time you start work (amazing this wasnt already in place, what with players allegedly earning up to 70,000 a week).

Think the essential problem is we have some big time Charlies who think they are bigger than (as they see it) this tin pot little club they have been bribed to play for. No way wd they allow themselves to be so ill-disciplined if they were playing for a Ferguson, say. That is why Hughes is laying down the law and saying "no, the club is bigger than you are, I make the rules and you have to follow them. If not, you are out." Barton cd be the first victim of that.

[brightonr]

He's our player, of course it punishes us as well.

Barton retaliated to a violent act by Tevez. In doing so he risked the first offense not being seen. This happens often in games. If he'd walked off the pitch, he would have been chastised for retaliating and the impact it had on the game. The media may even have focussed on Tevez's provocation. That the media attention focussed on him and the FA ban punishes him (and us) so badly is completely his own fault. He lost his temper. Again. It's got him into trouble time and again over the years.

He's not the first player to have been harshly carded, while someone else who should have gone stays on the pitch. He's the first I can recall for a long time that has lost it so spectacularly on his way off. (I'm thinking Franny Lee & Norman Hunter as a classic one- fistfight to get sent off, and continued it as they left the field)

We've had our share of bad luck, but so have a lot of teams. We just don't see it or pay attention, or care what happens to them, unless it affects us, for the most part. That always makes it look like we were being picked on. See what Bolton fans think after the goal they conceded on the final day. I'm sure they feel hard done by too.

And yes Dave, this FA conspiracy theory is utter nonsense. A couple of our red cards have been ridiculously harsh. Most of them haven't.
The FA are not picking on us, they weren't trying to relegate us.

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as the next man.

I appreciate that you cannot possibly know why the FA made the decisions they did, but in the case of the red cards for Barton v Norwich and Derry v United, you would seem to agree with me that at the very least, the original decisions were wrong and harsh. Fair enough, refs make errors, we are going to have to accept that. But on each occasion, the FA refused to overturn those cards on appeal, having had the benefit of umpteen replays, unlike the refs. They didn't take those opportunities.
Now, to me that is crass incompetence as a bare minimum. The worst case being that they didn't want to. Inescapable facts, I'm afraid.

[DeepcutHoop]

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as the next man.

I appreciate that you cannot possibly know why the FA made the decisions they did, but in the case of the red cards for Barton v Norwich and Derry v United, you would seem to agree with me that at the very least, the original decisions were wrong and harsh. Fair enough, refs make errors, we are going to have to accept that. But on each occasion, the FA refused to overturn those cards on appeal, having had the benefit of umpteen replays, unlike the refs. They didn't take those opportunities.
Now, to me that is crass incompetence as a bare minimum. The worst case being that they didn't want to. Inescapable facts, I'm afraid.

It's not incompetence. The rules tend to generally favour the referees on-field decisions. The FA don't like to overall the refs, and I can understand why to an extent.

Whether we agree with those rules is one thing. Deciding they have deliberately screwed us is quite another. These are not rules introduced this year to get us.

Derry was extremely hard done by, and the rest of the footballing world agreed. Barton was drawn into a nose-to-nose confrontation by Johnson, and that was a grey enough area for the FA to decide the ref's on-field call shouldn't be overturned.

I'd agree that the FA needs to address diving, and this is the consensus of everybody. Fingers crossed it will be.

[72bus]

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as the next man.

I appreciate that you cannot possibly know why the FA made the decisions they did, but in the case of the red cards for Barton v Norwich and Derry v United, you would seem to agree with me that at the very least, the original decisions were wrong and harsh. Fair enough, refs make errors, we are going to have to accept that. But on each occasion, the FA refused to overturn those cards on appeal, having had the benefit of umpteen replays, unlike the refs. They didn't take those opportunities.
Now, to me that is crass incompetence as a bare minimum. The worst case being that they didn't want to. Inescapable facts, I'm afraid.

barton raised his head to johnson and was sent off thats the rules i am ok with that , what i find hard to accept is johnson kept holding his face even after barton saw red . there was no contact why wouldnt lambert say in public i have reprimanded johnson and told him not to cheat fellow pros and the paying public. when managers start to manage properly with honesty then maybe we can out the cheats

[Gtleighsr3]

safer than standing in front of him