Question re JB/25 man squad

[Jase]

Someone at work just asked me a question and, I've got to be honest, I haven't got a clue. If JB isn't named in the 25 man squad at the start of the season (meaning he wouldn't have been able to play anyway), do the 12 games count? Or is it only when he would have been available?

[qpr4life]

Thats an interesting take on it in all fairness.. however, I would assume that the FA would be complete W ANKERS if they said it didnt count. Because whats the point in adding him to the squad knowing full well he cant play. therefore leaving him out is exactly the same.. surely?

[QPR_NW10]

well what about leaving him out until january and when it gets renamed (after the tranfer deadline?) then name him then?

[Will M]

No point adding him to the 25 man squad. IIRC someone mentioned he can't even play for reserves, so won't be anywhere near match fit until a few weeks after the ban is up.

[dkn17]

Becoming more and more obvious that people don't read posts properly on here! Look harder people!!!

A very good question but one I do not have answer to either....although would assume his ban would still count. First 12 games whilst he is contracted at a club and that club begins it's season.

[DeepcutHoop]

Becoming more and more obvious that people don't read posts properly on here! Look harder people!!!

A very good question but one I do not have answer to either....although would assume his ban would still count. First 12 games whilst he is contracted at a club and that club begins it's season.

It is a good question and a very important one.

I would imagine he'd still be named in the 25 anyway, as there's plenty of games between his ban ending and the end of the season. Enough to make it worth while effectively having a 24 man squad till then. The squad is only finalised at the end of August if I recall correctly? That's 3-4 games before it's an issue.

There's a good argument that Barton's ban must be served in games where he's available. And if he isn't in the squad, he isn't.

[Jase]

Becoming more and more obvious that people don't read posts properly on here! Look harder people!!!

A very good question but one I do not have answer to either....although would assume his ban would still count. First 12 games whilst he is contracted at a club and that club begins it's season.

Hooray! Someone understood the question

I guess the conundurum is, if he's not in the squad, then he's not available for selection. If he's not available for selection, then does the 12 game ban kick in?

I suspect it does, but it really wouldn't surprise me if the FA said he had to be included in teh squad for them to count

[Jase]

It is a good question and a very important one.

I would imagine he'd still be named in the 25 anyway, as there's plenty of games between his ban ending and the end of the season.

Remember that the 25 man squad is named again in January. If he's not free to return til late November, and has no match fitness, is it worth including him then? (thiough a fresh player for the Xmas games would be rather handy - Give Ali & Samba a rest)

[bhujio]

It is a good question and a very important one.

I would imagine he'd still be named in the 25 anyway, as there's plenty of games between his ban ending and the end of the season. Enough to make it worth while effectively having a 24 man squad till then. The squad is only finalised at the end of August if I recall correctly? That's 3-4 games before it's an issue.

There's a good argument that Barton's ban must be served in games where he's available. And if he isn't in the squad, he isn't.

If he is injured he is not available but the ban continues during injury period.

[Jase]

If he is injured he is not available but the ban continues during injury period.

True but, injury notwithstanding, he is in the squad and available for selection.

Worth saying that the 25 man squad rule is relatively new, so other players who have been banned for long periods (Cantona/DiCanio etc) would still have been squad members.

[dkn17]

If he is injured he is not available but the ban continues during injury period.

This is what I was along the line of thinking. It should be treated exactly as if he were injured. After all, this is a player ban to punish the player. Yes it punishes the club inadvertently but the FA could not say he needs to be in the 25 man squad and punish QPR further.

Having said that, if this does end up being the ruling you can put all your money on it being the last straw that ends JB's career with QPR

[Will M]

Like I said in my post, apparently the ban includes any game including reserves. So it doesn't matter about being included in the 25 man squad. He can't play in any game period.

[QPRDave]

If we didn't name him in the 25 and the FA then said his ban won't start till he was named,that is punishing QPR not Joey, because we would have to compete with other teams who have the full squads, which would therefore put as at an unfair disadvantage.
Eric cantona got a 9 month ban from playing which 4 months of was taken up with the summer

[Jase]

Like I said in my post, apparently the ban includes any game including reserves. So it doesn't matter about being included in the 25 man squad. He can't play in any game period.

True, and I'm not trying to be argumentative (honest), but while he isn't allowed to play in reserve games, they don't count towards his ban. Only first team games do.

I genuinely don't know the answer to this and, I suspect, neither do the FA (useless bunch of twunts).

[QPRDave]

Like I said in my post, apparently the ban includes any game including reserves. So it doesn't matter about being included in the 25 man squad. He can't play in any game period.

Bit weird that if reserve games count that he is banned from why can't they be counted as one of his 12, so that way he could complete his ban in 6 weeks if both they and the 1st team play in the same week