What has Bartons 12 match ban achieved

[qprozzie]

Sorry Loftlag, Barton is the only one who knows if it will achieve anything. Personally, i doubt it but, as i said, punishments are there to punish people and hopefully change behaviour. But when someone has issues as Barton seems to have then you do not just dismiss punishing those persons because their behaviour doesn't change or isn't likely to change.
As i said before your idea for counselling or community service is ok if the FA have the authority to demand he do it. But do they? and again research suggests that counselling is a waste of time unless someone is willing to accept a problem - Barton clearly is not ready.
If you want to be certain that the punishment will have an effect on him then the FA should have revoked his registration. That would have the effect of stopping his behaviour and sending a message to all other players. I don't think that would be the right punishment but you seem to want to know what punishment would definitely achieve something. Definites are hard to come by in this world, opinions are what you are stuck with.

[stainrodisalegend]

What will it achieve? The FA probably take the view that it will keep a thug out of the game for 12 matches and might possibly teach him a lesson. If it doesn't achieve anything that prob tells us more about Barton than the FA. Its a shame as I'm all for giving people second chances and think there is good as well as bad to Barton but the smoke signals coming out of the club suggest we are simply trying to get him off our books.

[loftlag]

What will it achieve? The FA probably take the view that it will keep a thug out of the game for 12 matches and might possibly teach him a lesson. If it doesn't achieve anything that prob tells us more about Barton than the FA. Its a shame as I'm all for giving people second chances and think there is good as well as bad to Barton but the smoke signals coming out of the club suggest we are simply trying to get him off our books.

It's fine getting him off the books but it's the expence that could incur that seems to be of no benifit to me
Anybody that is not moved by the tiger cubs doing their yearly lap around the ground has no good at all in them and for Barton to work with them is worth a shot it's just pos it do him some good

[qprozzie]

The benefit is that the club shows integrity and portrays itself as a club which investors, sponsors and fans (new and old), want to be associated with. The cost to sack him now could be minimal to what it may cost in the long run to keep him. Because every time he steps out in a QPR shirt the issue of his behaviour will be brought up and that is a negative the club doesn't need.
I agree that sending him out to do community work is a good idea, but is it the answer to his issues? I doubt it.

[Rieger]

The benefit is that the club shows integrity and portrays itself as a club which investors, sponsors and fans (new and old), want to be associated with. The cost to sack him now could be minimal to what it may cost in the long run to keep him. Because every time he steps out in a QPR shirt the issue of his behaviour will be brought up and that is a negative the club doesn't need.
I agree that sending him out to do community work is a good idea, but is it the answer to his issues? I doubt it.

Is this serious? So every time a player gets a red now we need to get rid because of investors and our image? It maybe a business but it still is a sport as well. Let's just have a passionless bunch of boring passionless machines for a team shall we. And the team has to be pretty too so we can attract more female fans.

[qprozzie]

Are you seriously suggesting that he is the same as someone who gets the occassional red card???? Because that is not what i said. He has made worldwide headlines in a QPR shirt for being a thug that is not the same as a player getting a red card for a mistimed tackle or whatever. Are you telling me you need to be a thug to show passion??? Seemed to me players like Hill, Mackie and Derry managed to show plenty of passion AND managed to stay on the field without getting 3 charges for violent conduct.
Thuggery = passion!! you must be joking.

[stainrodisalegend]

It's fine getting him off the books but it's the expence that could incur that seems to be of no benifit to me
Anybody that is not moved by the tiger cubs doing their yearly lap around the ground has no good at all in them and for Barton to work with them is worth a shot it's just pos it do him some good

Have posted elsewhere that I take a pragmatic view on this. If we can't terminate his contract for gross misconduct or whatever (ie without having to buy it out) or off-load him to another club then I also think we should keep him as there is no point in effectively fining ourselves 11m quid. But think it has prob gone beyond a violent multi-millionare showing his sensitive side by turning up for a few photos with the tiger clubs. With all the briefings going on it wd appear that Hughes considers Barton a disruptive, negative influence in the dressing room and a liability on the pitch. If this is the manager's view then we have to back it. And I don't say this in a triumphalist way - I actually have time for Barton and think that despite a clearly v v grim uprbringing he has a lot more about him than the average footballer. But in the harsh light of day, with all his baggage, his potential to go off the rails, be goaded into being sent off etc etc, is he worth his reputed salary? Mark Hughes appears to have his doubts about it. Either way, rather than getting into a heated argument about it, I will back the decision of the board having consulted their lawyers, manager etc.