The Negative Mindset of Supporters

[BennyBoyRs]

here is a link to the thread so its easily found :

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23518

post 6 i think

doesnt look like hearsay so much .. but my beef isnt personal with Pete .. dont even know the bloke .. just think it was out of order to go after Sousa that way for weeks and then by coincidence a post appears on here and Sousa gets the sack ... was a touch of a shock :what: and then to be asking for fans to get behind the club and manager etc seems a touch hypocritical yo me ... just an opinion and not under instruction from anyone

And you're entiltled to it mate.

I'm just saying that this isn't getting any fairer and no matter how many times It's said...It doesn't make it true.

And in all honesty...Pete was behind Sousa for a large part of his reign. It was after what in his opinion was having to endure too many poor perfomances that he decided enough was enough.

Again...I'm not saying Pete went about his opinion the right way, but nevertheless, he was and still is entitled to voice this. He'll get behing JM at the start, just the same as he did with Sousa which for me does not in the slightest make him a hypocrit.

[DermottMc]

then to be asking for fans to get behind the club and manager etc seems a touch hypocritical yo me

Now that is a fair point!!!
Nail on head!!!

[MKPaul]

And you're entiltled to it mate.

I'm just saying that this isn't getting any fairer and no matter how many times It's said...It doesn't make it true.

And in all honesty...Pete was behind Sousa for a large part of his reign. It was after what in his opinion was having to endure too many poor perfomances that he decided enough was enough.

Again...I'm not saying Pete went about his opinion the right way, but nevertheless, he was and still is entitled to voice this. He'll get behing JM at the start, just the same as he did with Sousa which for me does not in the slightest make him a hypocrit.

Ok fair play we all have opinions .. and we will have to agree to disagree oon this one although scotts post does apper to back up my argument ;D

[Sam-QPR]

Again, this is something I also dissagree with, but plenty of posters start thread after thread about all kinds of drivel yet this is the only one that seems to have been used to drag a mans name through the mud.

Pretty unfair either way.

And let's be fair and try to look at the bigger picture...Pete continues this debate as he's still accused of wrongdoing over this. He is entitled to say these things all the time fans like KLR (apologies for mentioning just the one name) are taking the moral high ground and making out that this is the biggest scandel and injustice ever served against one man. I think the treatment towards Pete is far harsher than any Sousa suffered, but that's just my opinion.

let me ask you if it was someone on indy r's that did what pete did. would pete not do the same to them? yes he would.

i am not saying he was ordered to do it or that it was a big conspiracy. i am saying that he took it too far. at every opportunity he tried to put sousa down and people got fed up with it.

and as we saw at the time pete was in the minority. so i don't think he can be blamed for sousa's sacking. and that post from scott was meant to be a light hearted remark.

[BennyBoyRs]

Now that is a fair point!!!
Nail on head!!!

Again, see my post above and try to look at the bigger picture.

Pete got behind Sousa from the start and his opinion changed over time. The definition of hypocritcal means to me that he'd have not given Sousa a chance from the word go, but I may have a different dictionary to you.

[BennyBoyRs]

Ok fair play we all have opinions .. and we will have to agree to disagree oon this one although scotts post does apper to back up my argument ;D

Granted, Scotts post would make it appear that way, but take into consideration that this was not posted Pete.

As far as opinions go...we need to differ or we'd just get bored

[MKPaul]

This wasnt meant to take over the thread and the message it was trying to get accross... back to the point ... I think we will all get behind the team and the manager this year ... just please dont set your expectations to high or the problems will start again.... or am i thinking about another thread all together :-)

[Rangersw12]

This wasnt meant to take over the thread and the message it was trying to get accross... back to the point ... I think we will all get behind the team and the manager this year ... just please dont set your expectations to high or the problems will start again.... or am i thinking about another thread all together :-)

But I can see it happening all over again you only have to look at Petes post bigging the team up saying we don't need a striker bla bla

but come May and we dont get in the play offs he will want the manager sacked

I really hope I'm wrong

[BennyBoyRs]

let me ask you if it was someone on indy r's that did what pete did. would pete not do the same to them? yes he would.

i am not saying he was ordered to do it or that it was a big conspiracy. i am saying that he took it too far. at every opportunity he tried to put sousa down and people got fed up with it.

and as we saw at the time pete was in the minority. so i don't think he can be blamed for sousa's sacking. and that post from scott was meant to be a light hearted remark.

Sam...how can you say that?
That's an estimated accusation.

And I've agreed with you that I felt Pete went the wrong way about expressing his opinion, but still...it is his opinion and we're all entitled to our own.

I would imagine Scotts post was tongue-in-cheek too, but I was only stating that if he meant it he was stupid, hence why I commented about it in brackets. I'm glad you're not one of the ones who holds Pete responsible for this as there is no way on earth that any fan has this sort of power. Not in this country anyway.

[BennyBoyRs]

This wasnt meant to take over the thread and the message it was trying to get accross... back to the point ... I think we will all get behind the team and the manager this year ... just please dont set your expectations to high or the problems will start again.... or am i thinking about another thread all together :-)

Don't worry...how ever old this may be, It's still a worthy debate as there is more than one side to the coin.

[qblockpete]

How did this thread get around to Sousa again?

As for Indy'rs some posters have been against the club from day one, thats why the forum was started. Independent means one thing, whatever translation you look for.

I think, I was behind every manager to start of with, in fact not only vocal for them, but accused of spinning then to. End of the day, the general mindset is a negative one which I believe rubs onto supporters. Read negative rubbish and fans don't want to see the club play, thats all. Think, I'm overly positive by nature and can been seen as spinning, end of the day I can only rely on what I have seen pre-season and in general its been positive.

[rblockells]

Let's just hope that JM and JG are given TIME, by the board AND the fans...

[MKPaul]

Pete I agree as most supporters i speak to who do not read message boards are far happier than those that do ... My point was things became more negative even amongst those not visiting message boards after the whole manager thing at the end of last year .. and I hope you are right because not much has happened to brighten things up since ... to be honest one good striker would change most peoples opinion ... I dont think yours going on about how good things are will as you lost a lot of credibility at the end of last season regardless of intentions/ who's voice it was ... but I for one hope you are right and im wrong

[Sam-QPR]

pete, people pay ALOT of money to watch rangers. if they believe we are lacking in certain positions they have every right to say so.

it's not being negative. its being honest and realistic.

expectations were too high last season. we should have slowly built a squad under one manager. instead we are back to square one.

i believe that the expectations of the fans and the board caused 2 managers to lose there jobs.

we knew we needed an out and out striker last season. one didn't come. we were told they would spend in the summer. so far they have not. now we are being told they may spend in january. january could be too late. and before we know it we are in the same very position this time next year.

why not have the best possible squad we can going in to the start of the season. all this "wait till january" annoys me big time

every rangers fan i have spoken to this pre season all same the same thing "why haven't they signed a striker?"

[qblockpete]

Agree, the majority feel that a out and out striker is the final piece in the jigsaw.

problem is, proven goalscorers are rarity and most clubs want them if they are any good.

By the way, some one on this thread mentioned Kamara

4 million cash transfer and 25k a week, a bit too much