The Negative Mindset of Supporters

[paulw]

Spot on BennyBoyRs

[BennyBoyRs]

Pete you came out with the same crap last season. Decarmine, Parejo and Ledesma were all gonna be world beaters. I hope Faulin and Pelliconi turn out to be stars but will reserve judgement for now.

With the exception of Adel we havent improved the squad since last year. We scored scandelously few goals then and since have sold our top scorer.

Still no qualilty striker or full back.

I think we will do slightly better this year, Magilton will have to do a great job to get us into the top 6 though.

I support the team 100% at games but am only being realistic.

I dissagree.

We've recruited a young prospect (may or may not work out) and we now have Rowan Vine, Buzz and Rowlands back. Even Aggy is back from injury, so we have imporved. Let's be honest....we Massively missed Vine, Buzz and Rowly for a large part of the season. Having them back to fitness is as good as having 3 new signings.

[dtig]

i don't see the correlation between signing a striker and sousa

I don't see the correlation between people saying we need a new striker and negativity.

How many of our pre season goals have been scored by Helguson, Agyemang or Vine ? 5 out of 18. How many of last seasons 42 league goals were scored by those three ( injuries admittedly ).....8 ! It's not negativity, the stats speak for themselves.

We have been crying out for a decent striker for years now, and peoples frustrations are that every year we think "this year, this is the year"....and it never is.

Helguson IS a pile of crap. How much further up the league would we have been had he converted half his "one on one" chances. "He will come good" is the line we keep hearing......no he won't. One of his two pre season goals he knew sod all about at Aldershot ! Vine we all know is good enough on his day, but Agyemang.....is he really the answer. No he's not.

So in my opinion, and I doubt I'm alone, whilst Balanta may well come good this year and I hope he does, and others will chip in with a good few goals, the bottom line is we have been, and still are, desperately short of quality up front. Neither Helguson or Agyemang inspire any sort of confidence that there are plenty of goals in this team by the time we come to play the Newcastles, Readings and WBA's.

It's all very well "cruising" past Wycombe (2-1) and Kettering Town (2-0), but peoples fears that we will once again come up short over the course of the season because once again we haven't scored enough goals is not NEGATIVITY, it's quite simply frustration born out of years of never doing anything about it.

There's no point in playing fantastic flowing passionate football, if in the final third our "strikers" can't hit the side of a Renault Espace from 4 yards, and I'm not sure who your trying to convince Pete us or yourself.

[rblockells]

I am positive now and will remain positive,even if we don't have the best of starts.What we need at this club is STABILITY-Jim Magilton and John Gorman need to be given that precious thing that Sousa and Dowie never had-TIME.If we hit a bad patch at any stage of this season-then that is when the manager and players will need our support more than ever-sadly,many fans will just turn against them- hope I am wrong-but there is too much previous.

[NewarkR]

I dissagree.

We've recruited a young prospect (may or may not work out) and we now have Rowan Vine, Buzz and Rowlands back. Even Aggy is back from injury, so we have imporved. Let's be honest....we Massively missed Vine, Buzz and Rowly for a large part of the season. Having them back to fitness is as good as having 3 new signings.

Correct. Another difference is Magilton isn't playing (or having to play) Faurlin and Pellicori from the start, giving them time to settle in before we overload them with our expectations.

[DermottMc]

The return of Vine and Buzacky is why I think we will do better this season. Having said that I think peoples expectation of their impact is over exagerated.

I think our squad is just short of play off quality.

[MKPaul]

Noticed you didn't disagree with the other points.

My beef with Sousa, was I was falling asleep watching Rangers, won't happen under Magilton, he has a bit of passion. Anyway, thats a different subject for a different time. Alot of negativity now stems from the end of the seasonDo you not agree, if we had our way at some point Paul Furlong would have left the club? I can see one of thesee strikers coming good, probably Helgusson.

And who caused those problems Pete? who made the end of the season negative?

oh yes it was you doing your puppet masters work

[BennyBoyRs]

And who caused those problems Pete? who made the end of the season negative?

oh yes it was you doing your puppet masters work

Haha...Pete still get's the blame.
I can't believe how some think a fan has this power.

It was his opinion, and one he's entitled too. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it was said via anyone at the club.

9/10 for the continued effort though.

[MKPaul]

Noticed you didn't disagree with the other points.

My beef with Sousa, was I was falling asleep watching Rangers, won't happen under Magilton, he has a bit of passion. Anyway, thats a different subject for a different time. Alot of negativity now stems from the end of the season

Do you not agree, if we had our way at some point Paul Furlong would have left the club? I can see one of thesee strikers coming good, probably Helgusson.

Haha...Pete still get's the blame.
I can't believe how some think a fan has this power.

It was his opinion, and one he's entitled too. Just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it was said via anyone at the club.

9/10 for the continued effort though.

Think you should read Scotts post earlier in the week around the time he got evicted from the open day .. where he states the club should thank this board for the work they did in removing Sousa.... but then would i expect an admin to have a bad word to say about their leader?

[BennyBoyRs]

Think you should read Scotts post earlier in the week around the time he got evicted from the open day .. where he states the club should thank this board for the work they did in removing Sousa.... but then would i expect an admin to have a bad word to say about their leader?

It's got nothing to do with my position as a mod whatsoever.
If you really must know, Pete is also a very good mate of mine away from the board, but that has nothing to do with it either.

If you care to read much, I dissagree with a lot of what Pete says and the way he gets needlessly involved in boring arguements such as this one, but you are indeed a very deluded man if you believe Pete had anything to do with Sousa being sacked.

As I have said many a time...I feel Sousa was sacked prematurely, however as harsh as the sacking may be...what did he really do to warrent a stay of execution apart from suring up our defence? Not the hardest job seeing as Gorkss and Connolly are two of the best defenders in the league and on his day, Stewart can be emmence.

We may not have had much up front, but he hardly had us attacking. He even dropped out top scorer and when the failed to work out, he still continued to pick Di Carmine and Heider even though it was clear they couldn't score in a brothel with a wedge of £50's on their hands.

I think It's very *****ic and narrow minded to continue to blame Pete for this sittuation, just because his opinion was that this was the right thing to do.

So what next???

Am I going to be blamed for the same mouth piece as Pete, or will you now go as far as to say I'm doing what Pete asks of me, or even that I am Pete posting under another name?

Very sad times when you and others can't seem to move on.

[BennyBoyRs]

And so as I'm not accused of missing the statement...

Because Scott Jones writes this, does that mean that It's true, or even that Pete is still to blame even when it was another member posting this?

I have to say...I missed this post from Scott, and strongly feel he's let himself down there,(if meant in a serious manner) but for you to blame use this against Pete when it was not written by him is pathetic. Seems some people aren't willing to let this go and will use any excuse to have a dig at Pete.

At least my dissagreements with Pete are not personal and out of hearsay.

[Sam-QPR]

in regards to pete sousa out campaign. i don't think it's his opinion that bothers people. it was the way he did it. thread after thread of the same anti sousa drivel. he could have said his thoughts in one thread but no he went on and on day after day. using the same arguments time and time again.

he is still doing now months after sousa has left. thats why people were annoyed with him.

[IsleworthRanger]

in regards to pete sousa out campaign. i don't think it's his opinion that bothers people. it was the way he did it. thread after thread of the same anti sousa drivel. he could have said his thoughts in one thread but no he went on and on day after day. using the same arguments time and time again.

he is still doing now months after sousa has left. thats why people were annoyed with him.

Serious question here

Even if it was true that Pete started or was asked to start some form of campaign against Sousa,who was the target audience?

Most are so quick to #### this board off on one hand and I have of course read the infantile insults by those who think they are so much more intelligent and yet they must think that Pete has some kind of massive following who cling to his every word!

[BennyBoyRs]

in regards to pete sousa out campaign. i don't think it's his opinion that bothers people. it was the way he did it. thread after thread of the same anti sousa drivel. he could have said his thoughts in one thread but no he went on and on day after day. using the same arguments time and time again.

he is still doing now months after sousa has left. thats why people were annoyed with him.

Again, this is something I also dissagree with, but plenty of posters start thread after thread about all kinds of drivel yet this is the only one that seems to have been used to drag a mans name through the mud.

Pretty unfair either way.

And let's be fair and try to look at the bigger picture...Pete continues this debate as he's still accused of wrongdoing over this. He is entitled to say these things all the time fans like KLR (apologies for mentioning just the one name) are taking the moral high ground and making out that this is the biggest scandel and injustice ever served against one man. I think the treatment towards Pete is far harsher than any Sousa suffered, but that's just my opinion.

[MKPaul]

And so as I'm not accused of missing the statement...

Because Scott Jones writes this, does that mean that It's true, or even that Pete is still to blame even when it was another member posting this?

I have to say...I missed this post from Scott, and strongly feel he's let himself down there,(if meant in a serious manner) but for you to blame use this against Pete when it was not written by him is pathetic. Seems some people aren't willing to let this go and will use any excuse to have a dig at Pete.

At least my dissagreements with Pete are not personal and out of hearsay.

here is a link to the thread so its easily found :

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23518

post 6 i think

doesnt look like hearsay so much .. but my beef isnt personal with Pete .. dont even know the bloke .. just think it was out of order to go after Sousa that way for weeks and then by coincidence a post appears on here and Sousa gets the sack ... was a touch of a shock :what: and then to be asking for fans to get behind the club and manager etc seems a touch hypocritical yo me ... just an opinion and not under instruction from anyone