taarabt on saturday

[dave58]

Gone past caring

Until we rid ourselves off Barton the dressing room will be broken

I wouldn't show Taarabt the door over Barton put it that way

So it's all Joey's fault? not that Adel acts like a spoilt F#####g Child? It's a shame all his skill & ability dont match in personality he's been throwing a strop since he arrived must have cost us a fortune in Dummies the amount he's spat out. And if he did refuse to play he should be fined heavily (i.e Tevez)

[W12_Ranger]

So it's all Joey's fault? not that Adel acts like a spoilt F#####g Child? It's a shame all his skill & ability dont match in personality he's been throwing a strop since he arrived must have cost us a fortune in Dummies the amount he's spat out. And if he did refuse to play he should be fined heavily (i.e Tevez)

Barton is a bad apple end of story his influence in the dressing room I strongly believe is a negative one regardless of what you think about the attitude of Adel I do not believe he divides the dressing room in the same way.

Taarabt led the team to promotion last season Barton is leading the team to relegation this season.... the truth is we are probably better off without both of them in the long term but in the short term I have Adel over Barton any day of the week.

[brightonr]

Barton is a bad apple end of story his influence in the dressing room I strongly believe is a negative one regardless of what you think about the attitude of Adel I do not believe he divides the dressing room in the same way.

Taarabt led the team to promotion last season Barton is leading the team to relegation this season.... the truth is we are probably better off without both of them in the long term but in the short term I have Adel over Barton any day of the week.

With regard to your first point, I'm not so sure. Not being argumentative, as I haven't a clue what goes on behind closed doors, but I would imagine that if he were as universally disliked as some on here make out, then surely he would not still be in the team all the time, let alone captain. If you are right though, quite what that says about the "balls" of both our current and previous manager, I don't know.

I would agree he tweets too much, gets involved in things he needn't and has not performed as well as we would have expected, but the last bit could be said for the whole squad with the exception of just a very few.

Can't really see the justification in blaming Barton for the inability of our defenders to do their jobs properly, the goalkeeper becoming a shadow of last season's hero, SWP tripping over his feet, the ball, invisible objects, passing to the opposition 50% of the time and not being able to score from about 10 yards regularly. He should take a good look at himself though, as he isn't as disliked by so many fans for no good reason, apart from those who simply cannot accept his reported salary.

[vblockranger]

With regard to your first point, I'm not so sure. Not being argumentative, as I haven't a clue what goes on behind closed doors, but I would imagine that if he were as universally disliked as some on here make out, then surely he would not still be in the team all the time, let alone captain. If you are right though, quite what that says about the "balls" of both our current and previous manager, I don't know.

I would agree he tweets too much, gets involved in things he needn't and has not performed as well as we would have expected, but the last bit could be said for the whole squad with the exception of just a very few.

Can't really see the justification in blaming Barton for the inability of our defenders to do their jobs properly, the goalkeeper becoming a shadow of last season's hero, SWP tripping over his feet, the ball, invisible objects, passing to the opposition 50% of the time and not being able to score from about 10 yards regularly. He should take a good look at himself though, as he isn't as disliked by so many fans for no good reason, apart from those who simply cannot accept his reported salary.

sad sad day when i find myself agreeing with any post by Brighton

[brightonr]

sad sad day when i find myself agreeing with any post by Brighton

2nd time on this thread, I think you'll find

Just got to sort out your other issues now.

[W12_Ranger]

With regard to your first point, I'm not so sure. Not being argumentative, as I haven't a clue what goes on behind closed doors, but I would imagine that if he were as universally disliked as some on here make out, then surely he would not still be in the team all the time, let alone captain. If you are right though, quite what that says about the "balls" of both our current and previous manager, I don't know.

I would agree he tweets too much, gets involved in things he needn't and has not performed as well as we would have expected, but the last bit could be said for the whole squad with the exception of just a very few.

Can't really see the justification in blaming Barton for the inability of our defenders to do their jobs properly, the goalkeeper becoming a shadow of last season's hero, SWP tripping over his feet, the ball, invisible objects, passing to the opposition 50% of the time and not being able to score from about 10 yards regularly. He should take a good look at himself though, as he isn't as disliked by so many fans for no good reason, apart from those who simply cannot accept his reported salary.

That actually is a fair post and you're right in a lot what you say there about Barton. I have heard a few things about Barton which may or may not be true but I'm inclined to believe what I've been told and I feel that the dressing room is not as cohesive as it should be with the presence of him in there and as a captain. To an extent I'm speculating but then again as is everybody because unless you are present within the dressing room you're basing your conclusions on second-hand information assumptions and hearsay (welcome to the world of football forums ) However, I am of the belief in such circumstances there is no smoke without fire. Barton throughout his career has done things and been associated with people who've done things which his teammates will look upon and make judgements on his role of responsibility within this squad. At no point during his time at the club do I recollect Barton reaching out and making a connection with the fans , this is something we would all like to see instead of method of his chosen form of communication.....twitter (enough said about that the better). Every player is accountable for their own performances and if I'm totally honest there has been far worse than Barton this season but with Joey we were expecting a seasoned pro to lead by example and whilst I do believe he is capable off rolling his sleeves up , he is incapable of inspiring and motivating those around him....Adel on the other hand has the ability and creative spark to achieve this on his day.

[willis1980]

Barton is a bad apple end of story his influence in the dressing room I strongly believe is a negative one regardless of what you think about the attitude of Adel I do not believe he divides the dressing room in the same way.

Taarabt led the team to promotion last season Barton is leading the team to relegation this season.... the truth is we are probably better off without both of them in the long term but in the short term I have Adel over Barton any day of the week.

I have to say that after his antics and refusing to play (if it is indeed the fact) that is just as negative if not more so than whatever bad influence JB has in the dressing room (if it is indeed fact too). What does him refusing to play say about what he thinks of his team, club and supporters (who put their hands into their pockets to watch the team play). If this was a player from another club like Tevez for example Im convinced a large majority would be calling for him to be sacked. Too much nostalgia and emotion involved for my liking for a player that doesnt reciprocate the same sentiments. The on pitch interview at LR when wed just lifted the trophy said it all really, wasnt fussed about wanting to stay at rangers and wanted to move on.

[W12_Ranger]

I have to say that after his antics and refusing to play (if it is indeed the fact) that is just as negative if not more so than whatever bad influence JB has in the dressing room (if it is indeed fact too). What does him refusing to play say about what he thinks of his team, club and supporters (who put their hands into their pockets to watch the team play). If this was a player from another club like Tevez for example Im convinced a large majority would be calling for him to be sacked. Too much nostalgia and emotion involved for my liking for a player that doesnt reciprocate the same sentiments. The on pitch interview at LR when wed just lifted the trophy said it all really, wasnt fussed about wanting to stay at rangers and wanted to move on.

We are not Manchester city, at the end of the day we need all the resources we have for one final push to stay in the Premier league this season. Very few footballers nowadays have respect loyalty to the club they play for particularly if you're a club of our size playing at this level.

Story time

When Warnock signed Barton, he become Warnock's centre of attention and NW devoted all of his time to him which IMO was his undoing and eventually got him sacked. During the summer Warnock was happy sell Taarabt but it was only when PSG never met our asking price did he stay at the club. The relationship between the pair wasn't as good as it was portrayed in the media last season then when Barton signed NW did not hesitate in making him Capt. Behind-the-scenes AT became restless and there was an almighty row at the game at Spurs, Barton from what I hear started getting above his station as well bypassing the manager and presenting 'issues' directly to members of the board. Warnock was instrumental in his own downfall, AT could always be managed but when JB arrived on the scene there was only room to manage one..... Warnock chose JB and his loyalty in my opinion was thrown back in his face, this is not to say the man didn't deserve to lose his job which in my opinion was the right time for him to go (and for other reasons as well). The situation between the two players has been simmering for months and it was inevitable that something like this might happen. What Hughes has to deal with is a volatile dressing room created by the previous manager and he is caught in a precarious situation where he drops his most creative player at a time when the club needs him the most over the club captain whom he never instated in the first place but if he removes the captaincy at this point in the season it most probably will confirm our likely relegation from the Premier league.

Now you may think that is a load of rubbish and your entitled to your opinion, I don't think it is to far from the truth myself and when the finger of blame is cast at the end of the season I am inclined to point mine at the previous manager more so than the present.

[Gtleighsr3]

Joey is this seasons Zesh

[Rsonist]

Can I just reiterate.

If there is discord in the dressing room then it is Hughes' chief responsibility to mediate, sanction and take whatever steps necessary to ensure team spirit is maintained. The buck stops with him. He's not there to stand on helplessly and watch his team under-perform, he is in charge and ought to be able to fashion a way for strong, differing personalities to coexist in the workplace. It's as common a situation in football as it is in any other sphere.

13th highest paid manager in the world, need I remind you.

People are talking about Taarabt and Barton's actions here as if they are laws unto themselves and not employees of the club. As a club asset it would be counter-productive to "sack" Taarabt unless it transpired that his misbehaviour was unilateral and unprovoked (which doubtless it is not). That would be the very last resort, the nuclear option.

Regarding Warnock it's no use bleating about the players getting him sacked when clearly he took insufficient action to reassert his authority over the staff.

[W12_Ranger]

Can I just reiterate.

If there is discord in the dressing room then it is Hughes' chief responsibility to mediate, sanction and take whatever steps necessary to ensure team spirit is maintained. The buck stops with him. He's not there to stand on helplessly and watch his team under-perform, he is in charge and ought to be able to fashion a way for strong, differing personalities to coexist in the workplace. It's as common a situation in football as it is in any other sphere.

13th highest paid manager in the world, need I remind you.

People are talking about Taarabt and Barton's actions here as if they are laws unto themselves and not employees of the club. As a club asset it would be counter-productive to "sack" Taarabt unless it transpired that his misbehaviour was unilateral and unprovoked (which doubtless it is not). That would be the very last resort, the nuclear option.

Regarding Warnock it's no use bleating about the players getting him sacked when clearly he took insufficient action to reassert his authority over the staff.

Hence the reason why I blame Warnock for this seasons failings...with regards to players being a law to themselves...AT took a number of liberties when we were in the NPL and Barton from what I hear was vocal and disruptive the other side off Xmas. Hughes inherited a broken dressing room IMO with the unenviable task off fixing it as well as saving our season.

[willis1980]

Given the way he used to play Im suprised he hasnt knocked their 2 big heads together.

[W12_Ranger]

Given the way he used to play Im suprised he hasnt knocked their 2 big heads together.

If we stay up I'm confident Hughes will get rid off both this summer

[willis1980]

I agree IMO neither has done enough this season to warrant their behaviour

[QPRDave]

Ok we all blame JB and label him a bad egg, but from what i have seen he has been very popular with his old team-mates, at Newcastle, so is he a bad lad or is Adel just being too big for his boots again and thinking our clubs not big enough for him?
I really don't know what to think.
W12 you say Warnock was happy to sell Taarabt, wasn't it AT just wanted out? That's what was coming out of his advisors mouths and quotes accredited to him.He was totally unfit when the season started too.
I agree NW brought about his own down fall but it was because of treachery on JB's part
the way i see it Warnock made JB captain cause he needed a leader of men, not Adel who is only intersted in how Adel does.
I don't blame this seasons failings on Warnock, but if you do then Mark Hughes had better get his plate out too, cause he has had a hell of lot more money to spend and still can't put out a winning team