Barton:"within 10 years there will be an openly gay professional footballer"

[Snaxo]

Wow interesting thread to say the least.
I don't think there's much left to comment on other to say that there are areas where people are confusing fact with opinion.

e.g. You can have an opinion that being gay isn't natural but that's a bit like saying you are of the opinion that 2+2 = 5.

Actually, 2+2 =4 and that's a fact.

So being gay is actually natural - fact. Why? Because it naturally occurs (you do not 'make someone' gay - it naturally happens).

Of course, as someone else mentioned, it is minority occurrence - you are more likely to be heterosexual. Either way, it's perfectly natural, whatever you think!

[lymehoop]

JB does not do himself any favours by bringing up this debate ... specially with the head gear he was wearing the other day!

[MYU]

Joey Barton calls for change in 'archaic' attitudes towards gay players in football


Joey Barton has suggested potential discrimination from 'archaic' club managers is to blame for a lack of openly gay footballers in Britain.

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[vespa]

in all seriousness, VBlock has got every right to have is views on the subject , without being personally insulted , just as everyone else has .
Now can we all be friends ?

[vblockranger]

in all seriousness, VBlock has got every right to have is views on the subject , without being personally insulted , just as everyone else has .
Now can we all be friends ?

lol did you see when i got threatened with infraction points? i showed a couple of work colleagues earlier and they are still laughing only in this country

[DeepcutHoop]

in all seriousness, VBlock has got every right to have is views on the subject , without being personally insulted , just as everyone else has .
Now can we all be friends ?

Not in the way he's put them across he hasn't.

He can be homophobic, as it's his opinion, but if we call him a homophobe, we're insulting him?

Nonsense.

[vblockranger]

Not in the way he's put them across he hasn't.

He can be homophobic, as it's his opinion, but if we call him a homophobe, we're insulting him?

Nonsense.

lol in my very first post on this thread i said i was a homophobe....so what? does it insult your left wing sensitivities? lol grow up a bit mate

[DeepcutHoop]

lol in my very first post on this thread i said i was a homophobe....so what? does it insult your left wing sensitivities? lol grow up a bit mate

You have a supreme lack of self-awareness. It's quite impressive.

[BUSHRANGER1982]

why nonsense, most guys i have met in the past will make a comment along the lines of
"he better not make a move on me" " he keeps staring at me" "wouldnt want to be stuck talking to him in a club/bar incase he think i fancy him" etc etc

its fear that makes people react and that fear comes from insecurity

Utter rubbish.

[vblockranger]

You have a supreme lack of self-awareness. It's quite impressive.

thanks and you lack the ability to understand that opinions differ and that yours is not necessarily always right ...we live and learn

[DeepcutHoop]

thanks and you lack the ability to understand that opinions differ and that yours is not necessarily always right ...we live and learn

THis is what your standing behind remember,

In a 1998 address, author, activist, and civil rights leader Coretta Scott King stated that "Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood."

If you think we're just two people with differing but equal opinions, you're wrong. Your archaic views are diminishing slowly in society, they're not mainstream any more. They will become more marginalised.

[vblockranger]

THis is what your standing behind remember,



If you think we're just two people with differing but equal opinions, you're wrong. Your archaic views are diminishing slowly in society, they're not mainstream any more. They will become more marginalised.

lol well i wont start crying about it.
who knows in a few hundred years we will probably live in a genderless society anyway...men and women will be the same. We already have a deluge of effeminate men and masculine women so its a possibility. Must be all this oestrogen finding its way into our drinking water

[vespa]

[QUOTE=DeepcutHoop;799355]Not in the way he's put them across he hasn't.

He can be homophobic, as it's his opinion, but if we call him a homophobe, we're insulting him?

Its calling him a m oron ( cant beleive ,i now cant write that word in one go ! ) thats insulting him, because his views differ from yours, thats pathetic.

[stainrodisalegend]

lol did you see when i got threatened with infraction points? i showed a couple of work colleagues earlier and they are still laughing only in this country

How's it hanging in the research department at Mensa?

[Stanley]

in my opinion homosexuality is not normal or natural

What is 'normal' and 'natural'? How do you define that?

Thats the problem with using such vague and arbitrary words in a debate like this - everyone has their own personal definitions of them based on their individual experiences, background and education.

Until there's a clear consensus on their definitions people will inevitably, circularly and endlessly be arguing over it...

actually mate you are probably spot on with that.

Seems from your perspective what is 'abnormal' and 'unnatural', is completely 'normal' and 'natural' from another's perspective.

Grasping that simple concept is the starting point and, in a nutshell, is the flaw in this whole debate - because, as I say, they're such arbitrary and subjective terms. It would save much judging and castigating on both sides.