Relagation is not an option

[rangerforevereastcote]

Hughes is a good manager, though a very disloyal one. But wd Hughes have stopped Sunderland scoring three goals with a back two of Gabiddon and Connolly "protected" by Shaun Derry? And wd Hughes want to come to us when Blackburn have reportedly offered him a massive bonus to keep them up? Chances are we wd be left with Bircham in temp charge while we sifted through the CVs of all the usual suspects, few of whom wd have a CV to match Warno's. Believe me I'm as frustrated as anyone by some of his tactics and team selections - my small, simple point is don't do anything drastic to make you feel better for five minutes because we cd be left with a lot worse. Martinez, Coyell etc have all been credited with being "brilliant" managers and both are currently below Warnock in the league.

also barton on a big bonus if we stay up so wouldnt have a problem offering a bigger deal to a manager for the same reason

[DelTrotter]

Individual mistakes from our 2 central halves. This is Warnock's fault how? You probably wanted Taarabt for Derry and a 4-2-4 formation, but it's about balance. Don't think he got the team or formation wrong, the players just didnt perform good enough

He got the starting XI wrong, tactics wrong and the subs wrong. It's Warnock's fault that we lost last night, he set up defensively and didn't start Taarabt and we paid the price.

[Frode]

the mistakes came cos our set up encouraged sunderland onto us, we were playing a very big team and i would have played hill at left back and put traore on the left swp on the right with 2 up top hh and adel/dj with faurlin and barton in middle i would have had the team playing the ball on the floor as thats when we look most effective

no not warnocks faults for the goals but when we got back into the game and was the same at norwich the oppo manager makes a tactical substitution and grabs the game by the scruff of the neck whilst we just stand idly by, thats when managers earn their money ,
the second half showed what was wrong with his first half tactics and if you didnt see that then i would suggest you know fk all about football

Can't agree about Hill, we need Traore's pace in defence even more now when our centrail pairing is so...crap. We were the better team before they scored, from a individual mistake. It's the players response after going a goal down that bothers me. Bramble cleared Helgusons header of the line, 1 minute later Gabbidon ****s up and it's 2. You can't, but I can see why Derry started. NW knew his defence was poor, so he put Derry in there to protect. You would drop Mackie, the one player who showed some energy AND scored a good goal. Warnock is by all means not perfect, his biggest mistake last night was swapping SWP and Mackie after 20 mins when SWP was for once looking positive

[Frode]

He got the starting XI wrong, tactics wrong and the subs wrong. It's Warnock's fault that we lost last night, he set up defensively and didn't start Taarabt and we paid the price.

Disagree. Defensively, well we had SWP, Helguson and Mackie up there(2 of them scored) up there, so should be enough attacking options. Our ability to defend as a team, and individual mistakes, cost us the game. Warnock can only play with what he's got

[rangerforevereastcote]

Can't agree about Hill, we need Traore's pace in defence even more now when our centrail pairing is so...crap. We were the better team before they scored, from a individual mistake. It's the players response after going a goal down that bothers me. Bramble cleared Helgusons header of the line, 1 minute later Gabbidon ****s up and it's 2. You can't, but I can see why Derry started. NW knew his defence was poor, so he put Derry in there to protect. You would drop Mackie, the one player who showed some energy AND scored a good goal. Warnock is by all means not perfect, his biggest mistake last night was swapping SWP and Mackie after 20 mins when SWP was for once looking positive

mackie apart from the goal did not do enough as someone has pointed out swp on the right had richardson worried about him, i like mackie but he rarely has a full game impact i would use him as sub when oppo tires, know what your saying ref hill my point being last night with their big players hill a better option and traore can help protect him , traore also our most offensive winger best crosser of the ball . my point being and its an old football cliche but sometimes when your defense poor the best form of defense is attack but last night our set up encouraged sunderland onto us, they were there for the taking if we went for it, also sessignon a really good player with plenty of pace so what oint playing derry in there couldnt get neear him

[Shania]

He got the starting XI wrong, tactics wrong and the subs wrong. It's Warnock's fault that we lost last night, he set up defensively and didn't start Taarabt and we paid the price.

[DelTrotter]

Disagree. Defensively, well we had SWP, Helguson and Mackie up there(2 of them scored) up there, so should be enough attacking options. Our ability to defend as a team, and individual mistakes, cost us the game. Warnock can only play with what he's got

We played Sunderland, not Man City. Why are we setting up defensively? We haven't done that before so why do it now? Mackie was a headless chicken yesterday, fair enough he got a goal but Campbell should have 100% been out on that pitch and Taarabt should have started, he even brought Bothroyd on at the end instead of Campbell! Warnock knew they had a team full of big lumps so he decides to play two fairies at the back and leave 6'4 Fitz Hall sitting on the bench, he invited pressure onto us with the defensive formation. He played SWP on the right for about 20 minutes and then swapped him to the left AGAIN before pulling him off at half time. Barton yet again wasted set pieces (despite someone on here saying they were always very very good and thats the sole reason he should play), he's the highest paid man on the team and can't beat the first man with a free kick unless he floats it in. If Joey didn't have so much of an influence at QPR and Warnock grew a set and showed him who's boss then maybe Barton would pull his finger out and start putting a shift in, but I cant see that happening. Warnock got it wrong yesterday, starting XI and tactics seemed like he set up for a point, we were playing sunderland not barcelona ffs. Hoofing it up the pitch was the only option we had, Helguson against a back 4 full of big lads and he didn't have much luck, every time we just kicked it long and they were attacking us every time we got the ball. Not good enough from Warnock I'm afraid.

[Frode]

mackie apart from the goal did not do enough as someone has pointed out swp on the right had richardson worried about him, i like mackie but he rarely has a full game impact i would use him as sub when oppo tires, know what your saying ref hill my point being last night with their big players hill a better option and traore can help protect him , traore also our most offensive winger best crosser of the ball . my point being and its an old football cliche but sometimes when your defense poor the best form of defense is attack but last night our set up encouraged sunderland onto us, they were there for the taking if we went for it, also sessignon a really good player with plenty of pace so what oint playing derry in there couldnt get neear him

Don't agree with all this "there for the taking" etc. We are punching above our weight. Probably 9 or 10 in their starting line up would walk straight in to our team. They could bring £6mill Gardner from the bench. January can't come soon enough

[Shania]

Disagree. Defensively, well we had SWP, Helguson and Mackie up there(2 of them scored) up there, so should be enough attacking options. Our ability to defend as a team, and individual mistakes, cost us the game. Warnock can only play with what he's got

I think you right concerning the defence and playing Derry as a some kind of shield to protect the defence. But why not play SWP on the right with Barton behind on the right in midfield?

[Frode]

We played Sunderland, not Man City. Why are we setting up defensively? We haven't done that before so why do it now? Mackie was a headless chicken yesterday, fair enough he got a goal but Campbell should have 100% been out on that pitch and Taarabt should have started, he even brought Bothroyd on at the end instead of Campbell! Warnock knew they had a team full of big lumps so he decides to play two fairies at the back and leave 6'4 Fitz Hall sitting on the bench, he invited pressure onto us with the defensive formation. He played SWP on the right for about 20 minutes and then swapped him to the left AGAIN before pulling him off at half time. Barton yet again wasted set pieces (despite someone on here saying they were always very very good and thats the sole reason he should play), he's the highest paid man on the team and can't beat the first man with a free kick unless he floats it in. If Joey didn't have so much of an influence at QPR and Warnock grew a set and showed him who's boss then maybe Barton would pull his finger out and start putting a shift in, but I cant see that happening. Warnock got it wrong yesterday, starting XI and tactics seemed like he set up for a point, we were playing sunderland not barcelona ffs. Hoofing it up the pitch was the only option we had, Helguson against a back 4 full of big lads and he didn't have much luck, every time we just kicked it long and they were attacking us every time we got the ball. Not good enough from Warnock I'm afraid.

Agree with a lot, but how many minutes has Campbell, Hall and Taarabt played the last months? Hardly matchfit are they. Good to see Taarabt back to his best though, will start at Swansea. Barton(and SWP) has been dissapointing, no doubt

[Shania]

Agree with a lot, but how many minutes has Campbell, Hall and Taarabt played the last months? Hardly matchfit are they. Good to see Taarabt back to his best though, will start at Swansea. Barton(and SWP) has been dissapointing, no doubt

That´s a point.
But my worry is that Warnock still wouldnt play DJ even when he is fit.

[Frode]

I think you right concerning the defence and playing Derry as a some kind of shield to protect the defence. But why not play SWP on the right with Barton behind on the right in midfield?

Barton has been playing in the middle with Faurlin, and it hasn't really worked since the Stoke match. Only other I can think of was the Man City game. It's not working at the moment, that's for sure

[rangerforevereastcote]

Don't agree with all this "there for the taking" etc. We are punching above our weight. Probably 9 or 10 in their starting line up would walk straight in to our team. They could bring £6mill Gardner from the bench. January can't come soon enough

they were there for the taking we started off they didnt have much confidence , they grew through the game cos we made them look like barca, once again when we pulled it back everyone thought we would go on and get the points they crumbled , o neil made a mastersttoke with substituions and the rest is history

[Shania]

Frode, I think we could do well with Austin, the Jamaican, in our team. Putting me head on the plate here, I know,lol. But we need a bigger squad as you know?

[Rebel R's]

Give up Rebel R's. You and others being negative is bringing everyone else down even more.

But you never said please