Is Mackie a PL player

[FurtiveFox]

Think you have to look at Mackie's overall career scoring record. Apart from that one purple patch with us he has never been a prolific out and out goal scorer. His game is based on pace and effort. Given the length and seriousness of his injury I think he has done well and had certainly had a positive impact on the team. Long term whether he quite has 'it' in the PL not 100% sure. Hope so given his fantastic attitude but as others have said jury out.

As for Adel on left wing no way unless he develops a full team ethic and chases back etc. We cannot afford to carry players. He would leave our left back badly exposed. You just won't get away with that in the PL and in my view that is why he is not being picked. For his own sake he needs to roll up his sleeves and also develop his style. He isn't getting the time on the ball he had in the Championship and not only is he not giving much support to the team we are not getting the moments of brilliance which made him worthwhile in the Championship. Other teams are basically sitting on him.

[Mellowhoop]

Desire and effort - worth nothing compared to quality. He is only PL if you are a bottom 6 club. Yes - he runs a lot - great.

Completely agree.

[Bluehoop]

In answer to the original question - yes he is.

[Rich]

Based on what I have seen (all games apart from Wolves, Everton and Liverpool) my question would be whether SWP is good enough at this level. It could simply be because he is being played out of position as being discussed above but good players should be able to adapt their game.

If we look at both SWP and Mackie's and give them a score out of 10, by comparing them to an average PL wide player I would score as follows

Speed 9-7 to SWP
Committment 10-8 to Mackie
Finishing 8-4 to Mackie
Defensive quality 9-8 to Mackie
Skill 9-7 to SWP
Adapting positions 9-5 to Mackie ( showed he can play up front and bet he would do a better job than SWP on the left if asked)
Aerial ability 7-3 to Mackie
Crossing ability 7-7

[MattyRangers]

Desire and effort - worth nothing compared to quality. He is only PL if you are a bottom 6 club. Yes - he runs a lot - great.

I agree to a certain extent; but you are making out Mackie just runs and has no quality?

[Mellowhoop]

I played against mackie at school boy level... He is the most determined you will come across... It is his life.. My mate joined his club and stayed around his house before away games.. My pal said if he woke in the night he would go and hav a kick about in the garden... He is football mad. There were better players then him then but nobody had an attitude like him. He's not naturally skilful, he could play 3 games in a day and not be kanckered. He is good enough to be in our team but his next club I would expect would be a championship one.

[BigDanShittu]

Are people forgetting how well Mackie played against Stoke, Norwich and Man City? He has one bad game, there were other players who were much worse vs Lpool, and gets used as a scape goat!

[silvercue]

I agree to a certain extent; but you are making out Mackie just runs and has no quality?

No. Read again, my chubby friend. I said he is PL if you are a bottom 6 club. I don't think he has no quality. I think his quality is of a Championship level, bottom 6 PL at best.

Now, if you think we should be in the bottom 6, then he is the sort of player we should be happy with in terms of quality.

[MattyRangers]

No. Read again, my chubby friend. I said he is PL if you are a bottom 6 club. I don't think he has no quality. I think his quality is of a Championship level, bottom 6 PL at best.

Now, if you think we should be in the bottom 6, then he is the sort of player we should be happy with in terms of quality.

Fair enough Mr Important

[silvercue]

Fair enough Mr Important

I am no more important than you Matty. In fact, far less so to the world of science.

[MattyRangers]

I am no more important than you Matty. In fact, far less so to the world of science.

Touche!

[W12_Ranger]

Mackie is 100% a PL player and a perfect role model to young people, as he shows week in week out the desire needed to get to the top. Also, just as there are people who play the piano, there are people who carry the piano onto the stage....... you need both.

PS: Why would you have Taarabt on the left, when he is finished at W12 and the best player QPR FC has suited to that position is Traore and the reason things changed in the 2nd half at Spurs, was because Adel taken off. Horses for courses and all that.

Got to say I am started to agree with you here, the PL is a whole different ball game where Adel is concerned.

As for Mackie, he had a career threatening injury and he returns to the first team as a PL player I really don't understand why fans are so quick to get on his back, the lad hasn't peaked yet. Mackie is the sort of player who will improve season by season, and will benefit being surrounded by better players.

[sirduncs]

there's only one jamie mackie!

the issue is more that we should play swp in his correct, right position. but mackie shouldn't be used to fill that role as the automatic choice.

i still think mackie is a useful player for us in the prem and i'll be cheering him and the rest of the boys on vs manure on sunday

[Rich]

I would be tempted to play Mackie up front off HH as he can finish. We then bring in a LB with pace and defensive mind and play 442 with SWP right and Traore left. Job done, unless Defoe comes in of course....

[Norths]

Premier league effort and determination without a doubt.

Talent? not so sure about that.