Buzsacky

[MattyRangers]

The other day Sir Alex Ferguson said "thats the kind of supporters we've got nowadays - they just dont have the patience any longer."

Reading some of the comments here, I think he may have a point.

In fairness, if given a decent run of games, he may well prove to not quite be upto PL standard, in which case people's criticism of him would be justified. But, IMO, the fact such criticism is being given after a 15min run out in which he lost the ball that ultimatley led to a goal (bad luck, as the ball is lost by nearly every player on the pitch at some point during most games, its just unlucky this particular 1 resulted in a goal) is just abit premature and shows us, once again, our fans seeming need for a scape goat.

[Stanley]

When you see the wages players get paid and how much it is to watch your team play, people probably do have less patience then back in the day

Does that justify fans being too impatient with the players though, because they're on more money now? They're still only human. Its not their fault they're being offered these huge salaries.

If the modern day fan is now less patient blame the victim of its own success, the system, blame Sky etc. But its of course its so much easier to just take it out on the players on a saturday afternoon when they're a few feet away, or anonymously on some internet messageboard like here.

[Spencer]

In fairness, if given a decent run of games, he may well prove to not quite be upto PL standard, in which case people's criticism of him would be justified. But, IMO, the fact such criticism is being given after a 15min run out in which he lost the ball that ultimatley led to a goal (bad luck, as the ball is lost by nearly every player on the pitch at some point during most games, its just unlucky this particular 1 resulted in a goal) is just abit premature and shows us, once again, our fans seeming need for a scape goat.

Sh.t happens in football.We appear to have a surplus of players that are not very good...not premiership players.Thats not a knee jerk reaction...that is based on the fact that we cannot shift them to any team...even on loan...Yes Buzz was unlucky.....but for me and in my opinion...he didn't do anything in the 15 mins he came on to make me think....he could be an important player this season.

Also, im not making him a scapegoat...you could argue that barton should have scored...Faurlin could have taken a yellow card in the build up to the equalizer......the fact that gabbidon cannot pass a ball to save his life....But as it stands, these are the best players we have in these positions.The idea of a squad, is that the player coming on will offer you something when he comes on.

Am i impatient? Possibly, but thats because ive waited years for us to get back to the Premier league and i want to stay there.At the moment, i have no room for sentiment...i want to stay in this league....thats the bottom line.

[Dale]

Does that justify fans being too impatient with the players though, because they're on more money now? They're still only human. Its not their fault they're being offered these huge salaries.

If the modern day fan is now less patient blame the victim of its own success, the system, blame Sky etc. But its of course its so much easier to just take it out on the players on a saturday afternoon when they're a few feet away, or anonymously on some internet messageboard like here.

Having these huge salaries puts more pressure on the player to perform and only right if he accepts them wages to do great job for his team

Making fans have a voice is what makes the team better sometimes

We would probably still have Clarke and Legs-Of-Wood if fans did not show there disgust at there performances last season

[MattyRangers]

Sh.t happens in football.We appear to have a surplus of players that are not very good...not premiership players.Thats not a knee jerk reaction...that is based on the fact that we cannot shift them to any team...even on loan...Yes Buzz was unlucky.....but for me and in my opinion...he didn't do anything in the 15 mins he came on to make me think....he could be an important player this season.

Also, im not making him a scapegoat...you could argue that barton should have scored...Faurlin could have taken a yellow card in the build up to the equalizer......the fact that gabbidon cannot pass a ball to save his life....But as it stands, these are the best players we have in these positions.The idea of a squad, is that the player coming on will offer you something when he comes on.

Am i impatient? Possibly, but thats because ive waited years for us to get back to the Premier league and i want to stay there.At the moment, i have no room for sentiment...i want to stay in this league....thats the bottom line.

Fair enough mate, good post, all entitled to our own opinions

[Stanley]

Am i impatient? Possibly, but thats because ive waited years for us to get back to the Premier league and i want to stay there.At the moment, i have no room for sentiment...i want to stay in this league....thats the bottom line.

Its not just about sentiment though is it Spencer. Its about whether he's genuinely had a fair crack of the whip. Thats the debate here.

Patience is a virtue, in any walk of life.

That's why its a cliche - because its true

[Dale]

He had a few chances like season in the Champuionship and done very little

Why take chances playing him now when there are major signs he cant handle the Prem

[Spencer]

Fair enough mate, good post, all entitled to our own opinions

Matty....When Buzz came on, like the whole crowd, i was buzzing(lol) singing willing him to do well.....it just didn't happen.can we afford to have passengers in this league? Am i being unfair, as, really this is what we have as back up? Yes..possibly i am....I certainly didn't get on his back...The exact opposite...willing him to show us his magic from yester year....maybe Stanley is right am i am being spoilt by SKY etc......i just want us to do well.....

[Shania]

Sh.t happens in football.We appear to have a surplus of players that are not very good...not premiership players.Thats not a knee jerk reaction...that is based on the fact that we cannot shift them to any team...even on loan...Yes Buzz was unlucky.....but for me and in my opinion...he didn't do anything in the 15 mins he came on to make me think....he could be an important player this season.

Also, im not making him a scapegoat...you could argue that barton should have scored...Faurlin could have taken a yellow card in the build up to the equalizer......the fact that gabbidon cannot pass a ball to save his life....But as it stands, these are the best players we have in these positions.The idea of a squad, is that the player coming on will offer you something when he comes on.

Am i impatient? Possibly, but thats because ive waited years for us to get back to the Premier league and i want to stay there.At the moment, i have no room for sentiment...i want to stay in this league....thats the bottom line.

That´s why saturday´s five or six wasted chances irritates me so much.

This game was a nine-pointer,lol, as I see it.


But c´mon QPR!!!!!

[Spencer]

Its not just about sentiment though is it Spencer. Its about whether he's genuinely had a fair crack of the whip. Thats the debate here.

Patience is a virtue, in any walk of life.

That's why its a cliche - because its true

Hi Stanley...I agreee....Trouble is - do we have time in football anymore for sentiment if we want to stay at the top flight......Sentiment meaning having Cook Buzz etc in the team...Thats the question you have to ask.

As far as Buzz is concerned.....at the moment ....he is the best we have on the bench.He is on the bench like derry because the gaffer thinks that he is not good enough to be playing.I tend to agree with Warnock on that one im afraid ..

[Shania]

He had a few chances like season in the Champuionship and done very little

Why take chances playing him now when there are major signs he cant handle the Prem

Im quite sure he is good enough. But I dont think Warnock rates him,
which is a pity IMHO.
But I´m not the manager.

[Stanley]

Hi Stanley...I agreee....Trouble is - do we have time in football anymore for sentiment if we want to stay at the top flight......Sentiment meaning having Cook Buzz etc in the team...Thats the question you have to ask.

As far as Buzz is concerned.....at the moment ....he is the best we have on the bench.He is on the bench like derry because the gaffer thinks that he is not good enough to be playing.I tend to agree with Warnock on that one im afraid ..

I think putting Buzz and Cook in the same category is a little unfair. Cook was a long way from even making the final 25.

But If NW doesnt rate Akos highly enough to start him then fine, he's in the best position to judge.

But unless you get a run in the side of at least 3 full games thats the only time you can truly assess whether or not a player is up to the task.

IMHO
YMMV

[stainrodisalegend]

Its not a case of being soft or hard on him. The simple truth is he has only played a full 90 minutes a few times in about two years. Of course he isn't match sharp. Some players never recover from such a lay off after a serious couple of injuries, others do. Its why the best solution is to send him out on loan for six months and see if he shapes up, then make a decision on his future.

[Spencer]

I think putting Buzz and Cook in the same category is a little unfair. Cook was a long way from even making the final 25.

But If NW doesnt rate Akos highly enough to start him then fine, he's in the best position to judge.

But unless you get a run in the side of at least 3 full games thats the only time you can truly assess whether or not a player is up to the task.

IMHO
YMMV

Stanley - You and myself have the easy jobs....we can just sit back and judge ....3 full games in the premiership could possibly be the difference between success and failure.

Your earlier statement was right.I remember the days when Liverpool would sign a Kevin Keegan from Scunthorpe etc and these players were given time to blend in with the team.We are now in the hands of the money men.

Nowadays,teams want the finished article.Take Chelsea(sorry)...but i think that Sturridge is a good player, but until now has been given a back seat.Now he has had a run in the team, he is starting to look like the decent player people thought he could be.You could then in turn say..hey..what about Buzz...Buzz is a lot older and coming back from injury, to me, i just don't think he will ever make it in the top flight... Love to be wrong..and im often am ...

[silvercue]

I am a fan of Tarbs, but was ok with Buz coming on and it is not NWs fault he had a stinker - that was unpredictable. I think NW was giving him a last roll of the dice and he let himself down. We paid for it.

But to suggest we bring Derry on instead is laughable - he has been a shambling donkey at this level. Leave the sentiment behind.