Warnock, Team Selections and Formations etc

[Connell10]

[QUOTE=W12_Ranger;734432]Give the manager credit for what, doing the obvious?...what your saying is the equivilant of closing the gate after the horse has bolted. T&C are in the past now they are an irrelevance, we are moving forward and the manager needs to shape up.

IN WARNOCK AT PREMIERSHIP LEVEL I'M CAUTIOUS TRUSTING[/QUOTE Warnock had one week , yes one week to get his squad together and is now trying his best to get the team to gel. I think he is doing a bloody good job. All the other prem teams had all summer to get their squads together and work out their best formations through training and friendlys but we didnt! So give warnock a bit more time before writing him off. Its a steep learning curb for all of us this premiership! Oh and of course the 2 knobs who used to own our club have had a huge bearing on our season. They should have sold early summer not one week before the transfer window closed!

[MattyRangers]

suppose its all down to different peoples expectations really
I expected the team to come out and give it a go from the start not just the second half but i suppose if Warnock thinks it was a "smashing game" then thats alright for some. He got tactics badly wrong in first half and didnt it show! ....still for the "In Warnock We Trust" lot it didnt matter as we could never have won anyway

Warnock out.:yush:

[vblockranger]

Warnock out.:yush:

lol not Warnock out but it just makes me laugh how quick the "In Warnock We Trust" mob come rushing out to his defence when he obviously gets something wrong...
Its like the fella can do no wrong and if he does then it dont matter cos we wouldnt have won anyway LOL

[W12_Ranger]

[QUOTE=Connell10;734674]

Give the manager credit for what, doing the obvious?...what your saying is the equivilant of closing the gate after the horse has bolted. T&C are in the past now they are an irrelevance, we are moving forward and the manager needs to shape up.

IN WARNOCK AT PREMIERSHIP LEVEL I'M CAUTIOUS TRUSTING[/QUOTE Warnock had one week , yes one week to get his squad together and is now trying his best to get the team to gel. I think he is doing a bloody good job. All the other prem teams had all summer to get their squads together and work out their best formations through training and friendlys but we didnt! So give warnock a bit more time before writing him off. Its a steep learning curb for all of us this premiership! Oh and of course the 2 knobs who used to own our club have had a huge bearing on our season. They should have sold early summer not one week before the transfer window closed!

No ones writing him off, what I'm saying is some of his decisions have cost us points up to now. This is the PL there is less room for error, personally I'm not sure his handling of Adel for instance up to now has won him a great deal of respect in the changiing room

[1cliveallen]

if you look at adel and how hes been treated and work out from there what may be amiss. he first signed for us on loan and was obviously a gifted player who felt he didnt really have anything to prove...goes back to spurs and isnt really wanted there..signs for us....average performances...nw puts all his faith in him,makes him captain,alters our formation to get the best out of adel,puts an arm round his shoulder when needed and a kick up the backside when needed..watrb message board posts..best since marsh and bowles..legend.. etc etc.we sign barton on 4 times adels money,make him captain and let him take all of adels deadball situations..barton is no more than average at all of the above and suddenly we have a morrocan passenger who needs to be jettisoned immediately.childish maybe but thats what most of these footballers are.maybe instead of subbing him nw should allow him to take free kicks and corners,arm around the shoulder and tell him frankly youve been useless..give him 4-5 matches to improve and out him if he doesnt improve..i for one would sell him as i dont like all these "free role ego maniacs" but he has gone from nw;s number 1 to 40-60 minute cameo player.

[SullivanQPR]

lol not Warnock out but it just makes me laugh how quick the "In Warnock We Trust" mob come rushing out to his defence when he obviously gets something wrong...
Its like the fella can do no wrong and if he does then it dont matter cos we wouldnt have won anyway LOL

Trusting Warnock, and saying he can "do no wrong" aren't the same thing, are they?
I trust him, but I know he also makes mistakes. Of course he should be questioned. All managers should.

So I take it by your mocking of the "In Warnock We Trust mob" for today, you don't trust him anymore then?

[vblockranger]

Trusting Warnock, and saying he can "do no wrong" aren't the same thing, are they?
I trust him, but I know he also makes mistakes. Of course he should be questioned. All managers should.

So I take it by your mocking of the "In Warnock We Trust mob" for today, you don't trust him anymore then?

not got a lot to do with trust has it? He's our manager and i back him but next year or the year after he may well be some other teams manager and he'll go back to being a "Colin" again. Did Palace fans "trust" him? Sheffield United? wtf has trust got to do with it? He's overpaid like everyone else in football these days and he is going to make mistakes just like everyone else does. Think too many of our fans have picked up on the "In Arsene We Trust" banners as i cant think where else this trust rubbish has come from...did you trust Olly? Gregory? Waddock? Dowie? Ainsworth? Sousa? De Canio? Magilton? or does it stem from the fact a lot of money was thrown at the squad and Warnock was at the helm when we were promoted? And what do you mean by trust? that whatever tactics or decisions he makes then you trust in the fact that he is right and correct every single time? think some of you live in a different world then mine then

[Rich]

Personally I think we should play with Mackie up top off of either HH or Bothroyd. 442 with Adel dropped. Barton in CM with Faurlin, SWP on one wing. The other is up for grabs between Smith, Buzz and Puncheon before Jan when we need to address this area.

[SullivanQPR]

And what do you mean by trust? that whatever tactics or decisions he makes then you trust in the fact that he is right and correct every single time? think some of you live in a different world then mine then

What I mean by "trust" is that I trusted him to get us in this league, and also trust him to keep us in this league. I think he has the vision and experience to do that, and I think the players play for him, and trust him.
If you don't, fair enough.

As for the rest of your post about people thinking he's correct every single time(?!)... you clearly didn't read (or chose not to) what I said in my previous post:
"I trust him, but I know he also makes mistakes. Of course he should be questioned. All managers should."

[silvercue]

Personally I think we should play with Mackie up top off of either HH or Bothroyd.

The problem with that is it is a Championship line up, not a prem one. We need to get a decent striker if we want to play with 2 of them....actually we may need to get 2 decent strikers iin that case!

[stainrodisalegend]

I think what Sullivan was saying is do you back Warnock or not? Half the fan base seem to have turned against Adel already - who in the space of about six weeks has gone from being the greatest since Stan Bowles to being "sh*te" - and now they are preparing the ground to do the same against Warnock. I bet if/ when we lose against City there will be a few calling for him to be sacked. You really couldn't make it up...

[Connell10]

The problem with that is it is a Championship line up, not a prem one. We need to get a decent striker if we want to play with 2 of them....actually we may need to get 2 decent strikers iin that case!

yeah and im sure neil would have addressed this if he had a little bit more time than just ONE WEEK to get his squad together!

[rangerforevereastcote]

I do believe warnock been very good for us and defo
Dont want him to go, but he needs to be prepared to change, i feel he had made mistakes he should I've known better about
Take fulham , traore out which we knew for a week before the fulham game so instead of recalling hill who we should never have sent on loan anywayhe chose to disrupt the whole back 4 by playing one of stars at lb and bringing Orr in
Barton been playing him on right when he is a cm cos he wants to persist with Derry and faurlin ( yesterday showed putting Barton in middle improves not only Barton but faurlin starts passing the ball more progressively,)
At home to the likes of Blackburn we shldnt be playing 2 holding we need to
Win should be playing 2 up top

Also another key point feel warnock
Kinda responsible for adel, he got pulled at fulham when actually feel he was one of out best players an we talk about adel lacking confidence but no doubt since fulham he has regressed confidence wise

I know Its easy with hindsight to say all above but we have all said
It on here before the games and none of us are managers

[MattyRangers]

The problem with that is it is a Championship line up, not a prem one. We need to get a decent striker if we want to play with 2 of them....actually we may need to get 2 decent strikers iin that case!

A vast majority of sides in our league would mop up most of what that strike force coudl throw at them. Not threatening enough at all. Heidur does a job up there, and Mackie is a good impact sub to liven up a game but starting the 2 of them up there is, IMO, not good enough to score goals in this league.

I like the look of Bpthryd though tbh, I think if he was up top alongside a goalscorer (ie DJ!) then they could form a pretty decent partnership.