Racism ?

[QPR1976]

Ok, with tin hat on and hyperthetically speaking -
Take the fact it's Chelski, the odious John Terry and against QPR out of the equation.
Perhaps consider if it were Barton, or Derry or a different sport all together, say Anderson against the West Indies.

Is a sportsperson, in the heat of the game, when all appears to be going against them, really a 'racist' for saying 'black ****' ?
I repeat, in the heat of the game.

I know it's wrong, stupid, offensive, shows a lack of inteligence and class, BUT
Does that make him or anyone else a 'racist' ?

Fascism still exists throughout the World (italy, Germany, Poland, England -EDL, BM, the KKK in the US, etc) - ALL DISPICABLE RACISTS !

But does any one individual deserve to be held under the same banner, for which 'could' be construed as banter or a throw away comment.

'Colourful' Language like that is used in most pubs on most days, with no offense meant or taken (agreed it's sometimes difficult to tell)
Blacks call themselves it or the 'n' word.

How many of us get 'joke' texts about the latest disaster in Pakistan, Africa and not only laugh, smile but forward it to others.
Many more than will openly admit it. I've one today ! It ends with 'Terry's chocolates'.
I'm not saying it's right, but to not acknowledge it happens is ignorant.

Anyway, open for debate hopefully, and for the record, I don't consider myself a racist, I prefer to treat and respect everyone as an equal until they do otherwise to me.
That said, I hate the French, and think Pakistan is a cheating liability in World Cricket and frankly not worth the effort in pandering to them.

[roose]

If I was to call somebody a black **** at work when I was really busy and the pressure was on to get a job out on time and I had worked a 80 hour week. I would get sacked end of. It's about time football came into line.

[qprbrisbanedivision]

Ok, with tin hat on and hyperthetically speaking -
Take the fact it's Chelski, the odious John Terry and against QPR out of the equation.
Perhaps consider if it were Barton, or Derry or a different sport all together, say Anderson against the West Indies.

Is a sportsperson, in the heat of the game, when all appears to be going against them, really a 'racist' for saying 'black ****' ?
I repeat, in the heat of the game.

I know it's wrong, stupid, offensive, shows a lack of inteligence and class, BUT
Does that make him or anyone else a 'racist' ?

Fascism still exists throughout the World (italy, Germany, Poland, England -EDL, BM, the KKK in the US, etc) - ALL DISPICABLE RACISTS !

But does any one individual deserve to be held under the same banner, for which 'could' be construed as banter or a throw away comment.

'Colourful' Language like that is used in most pubs on most days, with no offense meant or taken (agreed it's sometimes difficult to tell)
Blacks call themselves it or the 'n' word.

How many of us get 'joke' texts about the latest disaster in Pakistan, Africa and not only laugh, smile but forward it to others.
Many more than will openly admit it. I've one today ! It ends with 'Terry's chocolates'.
I'm not saying it's right, but to not acknowledge it happens is ignorant.

Anyway, open for debate hopefully, and for the record, I don't consider myself a racist, I prefer to treat and respect everyone as an equal until they do otherwise to me.
That said, I hate the French, and think Pakistan is a cheating liability in World Cricket and frankly not worth the effort in pandering to them.

A very naive comment by someone who is obviously white....!!
Would you like a group of asian lads saying / screaming something similar in your mum or nans face..because of the heat of the moment? No didnt think so.....!!!

perhaps thinking before typing something like this on such a sesitive subject would be wise..especially given the number of openly racist posters we have on this site alone !

[Factamondo]

im a white.......c.............unt..............whooooo oooooooosh...............too be fair id laugh it off as it only ignites the pc brigade into overdrive....the spaNISH/italians been getting away with it for years.........yes 'if' terry is found guilty and with his track record it should be over for him on the international front......but a casm could be opened up here!

[QPR1976]

Roose, interesting comparison. Me too - sacked.

But I don't have 15,000 people watching me and baying for my blood at work.
It's a different environment, but I agree with the sentiment.

[indianalondon]

What Terry did (ok lets bung in allegedly) is against the law of our fine and wonderful (multicultural) land.

see the Race Relations Act 1976 and Race Relations (Amendment) Act 2000 for starters.

[W12_Ranger]

Only a matter off time before lefties make an appearance....all I want is for the FA to throw the book at that **** Terry, lets not complicate things here

[silvercue]

I think every case has to be looked at individually.

He didn't call him a N*****. That is deeply offensive. However, black is how we describe an ethnic group. So, is it equally as offensive to call someone a fat ****. (Matty - maybe you can comment?) It is an adjective we use every day. However, the context was not good.

It seems to be ok in many groups for black people to call each other by words a white person will be accussed of racism for.

I know it is out of order, but there are degrees of insult, like everything else.

And by the way - this issue should not be clouded by the fact that it is JT and Chelsea. The principles should be divorced from other prejudice.

[QPR1976]

Brisbon,
Not sure which of my comment you refer to or if all of them.

Sorry if your not up for the debate, doesn't matter which colour I am but you seem to have judged me already. In your eyes, now I'll always be a racist. Wrongly, I'm IN my Avatar, you decide which one !

Of course I wouldn't want my Mother treated as such, no one in their right mind would. Which is why I mentioned how I prefer to treat people until they do otherwise.....then I act.

If the comment you refer to was about French and a certain cricket team - I apologise, it was meant to be witty, ironic but I can see it was just crass.

Finally, if we have so many openly racist posters on this message board (i'm not aware of that many) is it not good to open a debate in the hope they might learn something ?
Surely saying nothing is worse ?

[Factamondo]

Only a matter off time before lefties make an appearance....all I want is for the FA to throw the book at that **** Terry, lets not complicate things here

normally dont agree with you but spot on here!

[QPR1976]

Silvercue,
I think you're right. Context is everything.
Thus why we should consider the sporting environment in which it (allegedly) happened.

Is the word 'Scot' racist (derived from 'Scot'land) like '####' is ('####'stan) ?

[rblockells]

who exactly are the "pc brigade" we hear so much about from the daily mail etc etc.where is their office,how does one join?

the fact that this is even being discussed shows how far there is still to go.

and no,i am not a "loony leftie" or member of any mythical "pc brigade"

to hear some people trotting out the old lines "i ain't racist but"...and "some of my friends are black" is disappointing.

[silvercue]

It's a can of worms for sure. I just think some here may have less interest in this if it was, lets say, Barton did it to one of their players.

The hatred for Chelsea and JT seems be part of this and it shouldn't - people's views on whether this comment was unacceptable and to what degree should have nothing to do with the fact they hate him and his club.

[roose]

Silvercue,
I think you're right. Context is everything.
Thus why we should consider the sporting environment in which it (allegedly) happened.

Is the word 'Scot' racist (derived from 'Scot'land) like '####' is ('####'stan) ?

It's down to Scot being used to shorten the word Scotland like Aussie but the word #### is not used Like that it is used to offend people So has become a offencive word.

As for the fat **** being the same what people forget us if you was black you would get called a fat black **** instead of just fat. And being called a white **** **** is not the same as through history the human race has been conditioned to belive white is better so it's not really offensive to be called white is it. It is about time that everybody realised the colour if you skin should make no difference and should not be used to course pain or hatred end off.

[silvercue]

roose - I think most people do understand that.

But there are degrees.

For example, large groups of our fans call the Cardiff fans - sheep s.haggers. That is racist according to the very acts people are now throwing about to justify their point.

We will one day get to a point where it will be deemed as racially offensive to call some one a Gypsy, *****,dirty northerner etc.

If I am at work and someone asks me who someone in a crowd is...am I allowed to say - he's the black one. Yes I am. Maybe not tomorrow though.

Also - ref your point on the word ####. That is used to describe Pakistanis in Australia all the time. Doesn't make them all racist. Context.

PS - not defending JT here.