Todays Question

[qblockpete]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

[qprbrisbanedivision]

Well..In most other industries that i have worked in, the wage structure begins at the top.....that means the Owner, CEO, Ops manager, then finally the Manager

so...why is football diffrent..?

[maddix]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

Great question Pete !

Our industry is over paid and very unique , I think most would agree

Take Warnock and the higher earners at LR. More so at clubs like City , United , Chelsea etc

For the life of me I have never woirked out how someone in employment can earn more than their boss , who tells them what to do and decides when and where they'll perform as well as having the opportunity to fine them if they step out of line .

[wicksta]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

Whoever negotiated the best deal based on demand/name/ability should be the top earner.

[paulmason]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

Ahh, here comes the defense for Taarabt walking out at half time and wanting more money.

Here is a little thing you have not built into your thinking. We are paying a signing on fee for Bothroyd and Barton in the form of their higher wages and bonuses.

[Bigears]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

But in life thats not true, if you dont have the self confidence & self belief to sell yourself to negotiate and secure yourself a better contract, then a poorer skilled person that can will a) Get more money and b) get promotion above you.

Its one of the reason why so many people have managers and people above them that shouldnt be doing the job.

As far as i am concerned, the person who can negoitated the higher wage should get it. Take Adel he agreed a 3 year deal for X amount, just because other players have come in and negotiated a better deal dosnt give him the devine right to get a pay rise. If he was worried about that, then he or his advisors should have the confidence in that we would be willing to put put a clause in the contract to say he will always be the higher earner.

The other point that goes against this, is remember without QPR giving the player the platform to show his skills, the chances are Adel would be a lot further behind in his development as he wouldnt have got the same care and attention. So if a home grown player exceeds and grows this teaching cost need to be repaid back to the employer who taught you.

Like an old apprenticeship scheme - My first job was £36 a week, but I knew nothing and in the first 2 years and in fact was a cost to the company, the following 1 year i broke even to the company but the last 2 years I was as good as the experianced personel but paid less so made the company more money e.g. i paid it back. Football is the same.

[qprbrisbanedivision]

But in life thats not true, if you dont have the self confidence & self belief to sell yourself to negotiate and secure yourself a better contract, then a poorer skilled person that can will a) Get more money and b) get promotion above you.
Its one of the reason why so many people have managers and people above them that shouldnt be doing the job.
As far as i am concerned, the person who can negoitated the higher wage should get it. Take Adel he agreed a 3 year deal for X amount, just because other players have come in and negotiated a better deal dosnt give him the devine right to get a pay rise. If he was worried about that, then he or his advisors should have the confidence in that we would be willing to put put a clause in the contract to say he will always be the higher earner.

The other point that goes against this, is remember without QPR giving the player the platform to show his skills, the chances are Adel would be a lot further behind in his development as he wouldnt have got the same care and attention. So if a home grown player exceeds and grows this teaching cost need to be repaid back to the employer who taught you.

Like an old apprenticeship scheme - My first job was £36 a week, but I knew nothing and in the first 2 years and in fact was a cost to the company, the following 1 year i broke even to the company but the last 2 years I was as good as the experianced personel but paid less so made the company more money e.g. i paid it back. Football is the same.

Sorry but i cant agree with t hat.....sounds like....anyway...
Managers are & should be placed in those positions because they not only understand the job, but have tha ability to manage personell, mediate, employ, take on budgetry responsibilty, train, hear and except confidential information.....and mostly...be able to see the bigger picture whilst being ridiculed by other staff......

i started as a fitter / sparky and moved up the ranks. i did the apprenticship thing but got bored with slagging off the boss. i got offered the chance to see the other side by runningmy own crew...and let me tell you...i got info that i couldnt tell my guys..

thing is, your boss, if he is any good, should be looking way past what you are doing and planning months ahead.

Its very hard to appreciate until you have been in both positions.......

of course you have to factor in the idiot bosses etc...

But anyway....My boss Has always got paid more than me...It may be diffrent because its sport but arent we trying to run sports clubs as bussinesses now?

Just a thought?

[James1979]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

I'm a massive fan of Adel and all this stuff in the papers doesn't really bother me, neither that he left at half time. I was annoyed when he wanted to come off in the 1st half last season. However, the likes of Barton, Ferdinand and SWP should be paid more than him because they are proven premiership players. If he shut his mouth and let his football do the talking then in my view he would have an unarguable case to be the highest earner as he is talentwise the best player. Currently, he’s doesn’t have the “CV” to justify it.

[paulmason]

If he shut his mouth and let his football do the talking then in my view he would have an unarguable case to be the highest earner as he is talentwise the best player. Currently, he’s doesn’t have the “CV” to justify it.

[Bigears]

Sorry but i cant agree with t hat.....sounds like....anyway...
Managers are & should be placed in those positions because they not only understand the job, but have tha ability to manage personell, mediate, employ, take on budgetry responsibilty, train, hear and except confidential information.....and mostly...be able to see the bigger picture whilst being ridiculed by other staff......
i started as a fitter / sparky and moved up the ranks. i did the apprenticship thing but got bored with slagging off the boss. i got offered the chance to see the other side by runningmy own crew...and let me tell you...i got info that i couldnt tell my guys..

thing is, your boss, if he is any good, should be looking way past what you are doing and planning months ahead.



Its very hard to appreciate until you have been in both positions.......

of course you have to factor in the idiot bosses etc...

But anyway....My boss Has always got paid more than me...It may be diffrent because its sport but arent we trying to run sports clubs as bussinesses now?

Just a thought?

Hi QPRBrisbane, I agree with you that this is the correct way and that a Manager should have thoses skills. But what I am saying is that in actual life that is not 100% true, I have worked and seen many Managers who should not be there postion, If fact i have seen poor manager waste millions of pounds on IT projects, only to get promoted because they talk cow dung better than anyone else (due to self confidence and self importance.

It one of the reason why i left my last company, as i had a new manager come in, only for her to know very little and start blaming her staff due to her lack of knowledge and skill set.

This is just part and parcel of life, getting more money, gaining promotion and moving up is all down to the person talikng opptunities and negotiating better than the person next to them.

No one should just expect to get a pay rise, just because joe blogs come in on more money

[QPRDave]

Who deserves to be the top earner at QUeens park Rangers?

Is it someone who has proved it elsewhere or has contributed to QPR by performing on the pitch?

Is it simply being a name or does someone have to prove it on the pitch first?

I know if someone earned three/four times than more me, I would expect that person to be miles better than me at my job.

Don't think deserves comes into it Pete,but in a perfect world the one who contributes most to the team should be the top earner.
Football is all about reputation though,you score a shed load at one club you ask for more money.Then you ask to move, you want more money, because you scored loads at the previous club,so there's a chance you could do it at your new club too.
So in answer to your Q your top earner will be someone who has proved it elsewhere,and probably a name.As I said deserves won't come into it.

[Shania]

Paddy Kenny.

[Terry-Mancini-123]

Closest comparison must surely be with screen actors. "Star" actors are hunted for particular roles and the fees are astronomical and are not dependent on the quality of their performance or how well the movie does; that's the job of the producer/director.
Obviously if their movies are turkeys continually it will eventually affect the fee they can command, but this process is gradual and may take some time.
Then you have the contracted actors, as in soaps, who are on a wage and don't aspire to the heights of the star performers. Hence those who are loyal and faithful to their club tend to be taken for granted and overlooked financially, but that unfortunately is the way of the world.

[qprbrisbanedivision]

Hi QPRBrisbane, I agree with you that this is the correct way and that a Manager should have thoses skills. But what I am saying is that in actual life that is not 100% true, I have worked and seen many Managers who should not be there postion, If fact i have seen poor manager waste millions of pounds on IT projects, only to get promoted because they talk cow dung better than anyone else (due to self confidence and self importance.

It one of the reason why i left my last company, as i had a new manager come in, only for her to know very little and start blaming her staff due to her lack of knowledge and skill set.

This is just part and parcel of life, getting more money, gaining promotion and moving up is all down to the person talikng opptunities and negotiating better than the person next to them.

No one should just expect to get a pay rise, just because joe blogs come in on more money

Hi mare,
you are, of course, but we have to take into account the fact that football is a very self promotional, confidence game and most negotiations arent ever done by the player but the agent....

I've seen idiot bosses and people promoted to keep them away from the production floor as they were that bad.....

Stilll think the manager should get paid the most as...The buck stops with him or her"

If we play bad for 10 games, we'll still have the vast majority of same players, but, Warnock wont be here !!

[MattyRangers]

Hi mare,
you are, of course, but we have to take into account the fact that football is a very self promotional, confidence game and most negotiations arent ever done by the player but the agent....

I've seen idiot bosses and people promoted to keep them away from the production floor as they were that bad.....

Stilll think the manager should get paid the most as...The buck stops with him or her"

If we play bad for 10 games, we'll still have the vast majority of same players, but, Warnock wont be here !!

Also, I noticed the OP mentioned the comparison to your own workplace and how you would feel knowing a colleauge earns alot more for the same job you know you can do better:

I feel in a bog standard workplace, yes, very true. But in a workplace where yes a colleauge may be earning 3 times what you do, but your "measly" salary still equate to over £1mill a year (in the case of Adel) I think its total sh1te.

You (the "poorly paid" employee in question) hardly have to park next to this higher earning collegaue in the carpark and watch as they exit theyre brand new Audi whilst you fiddle about with a broken lock on your old Fiesta and bend your coat hanger aerial into shape before both going to do the same job in the same office.

This "poorly paid" employee will still roll up in a brand new car with personalised plates, Rolex on wrist, kitted out in the best clothes they'll probably never wear again, with the only difference being that the "higher earner" night own 3 race horses and 4 holiday homes in comparison to your 1 race horse and 2 holiday homes.... Diddums.

As you can tell,no sympathy whatsoever for footballers that plead poverty and say they want to go for more cash, spoilt out-of-touch brats that need to step back and realise how lucky they are.