Jay Bothroyd

[DanMcGeoghan]

He seems to be getting a lot of unnecessary stick from the other night in my honest opinion.

Yes, he did miss an absolute sitter from 6 yards out, it happens, but the other chance was when the ball was fizzed across the 6 yard box which he just couldn't get to.

I thought his general play was good, he held up the ball really, holds off the defenders really well also.

Let's not get on his case just yet, first real go at the Premier League, we are four games in, the WHOLE team needs to gel.

Let's all try and stear away from the negative comments, just for a while :-)

[MattyRangers]

Bang on mate, agree with every word.

Alot of people really are over looking his holdup/linkup play, without him holding the ball up and laying it back to the midfield, the passes Adel and co were getting credit for wouldnt have happened. Not once can I remember a defender coming through and winning the ball off of him. IMO, had a very good game, barring 1 or 2 finishes. Fair enough, I agree, at this level chances need to be taken, but I think we need to cut the fella abit fo slack, it was our 1st game as a finished squad and we played bloody well. I have no doubts at all hell get it together, with the service he will get he will score, and once hes off the mark hell be off and running.

IMO its only because we dont have alot to moan about (in comparison to our recent history) and so people are fining things to moan at that we never would have done previously. Just my take on it though!

[sirpiechucker]

All strikers miss sitters and all strikers need goals. Once JB gets his first he'll get the critics of his back but unfortunately the QPR faithful do seem to love to have someone to moan about.

He needs time but so do the whole team. With the players now at the club JB needs four or five games before he can be judged fairly. He isn't scoring and if the system is to remain the same then Helguson would be a like for like replacement but if the system is failing then we will see DJ but with the system in place we need to give JB time as he is the best striker we have to operate in that system.

Wow, I've used the word system quite a few times!

[Jeffro]

I like JB, classy player. Will come good.

[paulmason]

Unfortunately, strikers are there to score goals and on the basis he missed 2 sitters against Newcastle, IMO, it should be DJ's chance to score a few on Saturday against Wolves, with Bothroyd coming on as a sub if needed.

Might seem a tad harsh to a few people, but that's life in the premier league.

[maverick69]

Unfortunately, strikers are there to score goals and on the basis he missed 2 sitters against Newcastle, IMO, it should be DJ's chance to score a few on Saturday against Wolves, with Bothroyd coming on as a sub if needed.

Might seem a tad harsh to a few people, but that's life in the premier league.

A tad harsh? No. It's stupid really...... making kneejerk changes based on a sample size of one that is......

[paulmason]

A tad harsh? No. It's stupid really...... making kneejerk changes based on a sample size of one that is......

Here we go again, someone with a different opinion to me getting all narkey and personal. You may have fallen for all the hype that our season started against Newcastle, but infact it started against Bolton, so actually it is 4 games, bot 1, and I know he was a sub in two of them. Would Ferguson have a swap if that was one of his players ?

[MattyRangers]

A tad harsh? No. It's stupid really...... making kneejerk changes based on a sample size of one that is......

Going by Pauls theory then, Rooney and Torres would both have been axed in an instant last year. As would Suarez after Saturdays miss, as would Drogba this season as hes failed to score....

[MattyRangers]

Here we go again, someone with a different opinion to me getting all narkey and personal. You may have fallen for all the hype that our season started against Newcastle, but infact it started against Bolton, so actually it is 4 games, bot 1, and I know he was a sub in two of them. Would Ferguson have a swap if that was one of his players ?

Nope. Take Rooney last season for an example. And why? Because hes a class manager that knows a good player when he sees 1 and is intelligent enough to know that players have patches where they dont score and you must keep faith and it will eventually be repaid.

[paulmason]

[QUOTE=MattyRangers;710076]

Going by Pauls theory then, Rooney and Torres would both have been axed in an instant last year. As would Suarez after Saturdays miss, as would Drogba this se

Torres is currently finished and will go down as Shevchenko Mk11, but no one has the guts to drop him as the emperor paid £50m for him and Rooney was shite last year and yes Ferguson did drop him, then he found his form again.

I would play Sturridge instead of Drogba all day long and Suarez has scored 2 league goals so far this season so why drop him ?

[silvercue]

I don't think he is getting a hard time, but MBs are used to analyse performace and that includes goal attempts and misses.

I don't think it would be fair to say he did what he is in the side for. If we had conceded that late free kick he would be getting a hell of a lot more stick.

I won't right him off for a minute yet, but he we all know that we wanted Bellamy....and Crouch - the reason for that is Bothroyd has still got a lot to prove.

I am sure he will come good, but he missed his chances and there is no reason we should not talk about that.

[silvercue]

Torres is currently finished and will go down as Shevchenko Mk11, but no one has the guts to drop him as the emperor paid £50m for him and Rooney was shite last year and yes Ferguson did drop him, then he found his form again.

He was dropped last week.

Also matty's argument is flawed as WR and FT are proven world class goalscorers and Bothroyd isn't. You have to earn the right to be hard to drop.

[maverick69]

Here we go again, someone with a different opinion to me getting all narkey and personal. You may have fallen for all the hype that our season started against Newcastle, but infact it started against Bolton, so actually it is 4 games, bot 1, and I know he was a sub in two of them.

Erm..... Where have I got "all narkey and personal"? It's my opinion that it would be stupid to make kneejerk changes based on his finishing prowess against Newcastle.

Yes there have been a few other games - but he was clearly unfit against Everton and Wigan - and against Bolton everyone was pony and hence he got no service at all.

And I've "fallen for the hype"? What hype? I can only go on what I see and IMO we've got a pretty good team all said and done and we now have a bloody good chance of staying up - perhaps even nudging lower mid-table. Nothing more nothing less....

[Del]

Here we go again, someone with a different opinion to me getting all narkey and personal. You may have fallen for all the hype that our season started against Newcastle, but infact it started against Bolton, so actually it is 4 games, bot 1, and I know he was a sub in two of them. Would Ferguson have a swap if that was one of his players ?

Each to their own, but in my opinion we must keep the same side for the next game after such a superb performance. He won every ball up to him the other night, and not just aimless flick ons, but each time his knock down was accurate and started the moves with Adel, SWP, Joey, Faurlin and Derry. Without that in the first place, the chances would never have come.

As for him missing sitters... again about opinions:

Volley was a bit behind him and although you would expect him to at least hit the target, it was on his less favoured foot, so by no means a sitter.

The one whipped across the box by SWP, he didn't reach it. Could he have bust a gut more, yes arguably, but held back to make sure he stayed onside. You could equally blame SWP for the pass being too far ahead of him...

The one played across that sort of got stuck under his feet... again this was behind him. Yes he could've adjusted better, but again not as straightforward as many suggest.

Other than that he had a header he did well to win cleared off the line, and i think that's about it....?

[FurtiveFox]

Thought he had a great game. As another poster said it was his strength, positioning and hold up play which opened the game up for the midfielders. All strikers miss chances, even in the Premiership believe it or not. He looked very at home playing alongside an excellent midfield. If he maintains that level of performance I will be a happy fox.