Case for a new stadium/Swansea comparison

[Gerryhatrick]

Coventry are a bad example purely due to the local authority completely naffing up the transportation and planning situation. Refused all applications for match day parking facilities and then refused to provide even a cursory match day shuttle service from the city centre or rail station.

Every other new ground has increased capacity and footfall substantially (Sunderland, Arsenal, Reading, Southampton, Leicester, Swansea, Cardiff, Brighton, Man City, Shrewsbury, Chesterfield) and if you increase your footfall, you increase your ancilliary commercial income too.

I agree Nodge, thanks for your views in between the 'I'm a bigger fan that you' diatribe again. A fan is a fan, full stop.

You said earlier that we no longer own LR, and I thought QPR Holdings did own it, but it was used as security gainst a loan by Flav and Amit company I believe? Last I heard the value of LR was about £21 or 24 million?

I think we need a benefactor, as opposed to an invester. TF probably isn't ideal with his fortune, but the Mittals could be. Stadium/Hotel/Apartments/Shopping complex to cover the build costs maybe.

I heard that the Spurs plan that they had before the Olympic stadium row was being resurrected again. Looked really good.

[superhoop67]

does anybody know how much and how long these ideas are going to take ,also the world is ina recesion Mittals lost16% of there wealth last year

[nuffieldranger]

100 people buy a seat at 20 pound = 2000 50 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program = ,2150 pound
150 people buy a seat at 15 pound = 2,250 75 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program
= pound 2475

simple maths of increase by capacity by 25 percent and reduce tickets by 25 percent to make this more atrative ie bums on seats,
many times i have wanted refreshments at loftus road but the que stops you from the effort so this needs to improve plus poor facilities so i am with Dazzer on this,
also reading have a hotel and pub attached that bring in extra revenue !!!

[Nodge70]

I agree Nodge, thanks for your views in between the 'I'm a bigger fan that you' diatribe again. A fan is a fan, full stop.

You said earlier that we no longer own LR, and I thought QPR Holdings did own it, but it was used as security gainst a loan by Flav and Amit company I believe? Last I heard the value of LR was about £21 or 24 million?

I think we need a benefactor, as opposed to an invester. TF probably isn't ideal with his fortune, but the Mittals could be. Stadium/Hotel/Apartments/Shopping complex to cover the build costs maybe.

I heard that the Spurs plan that they had before the Olympic stadium row was being resurrected again. Looked really good.

I was of the understanding that the ground was now the property of Sarita/Amulya Holdings and was leased back to the club. Have to admit, not 100% sure though - will need to look at the accounts but they're as clear as mud. In any case significant monies are still owed for refinancing packages as a result of the ABC loan.

Number of avenues being worked on by Spurs ref stadium developments. A number of very interesting meetings over the past couple of months.

[nuffieldranger]

plus we can get cheap steel from uncle Lakshmir

[Nodge70]

100 people buy a seat at 20 pound = 2000 50 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program = ,2150 pound
150 people buy a seat at 15 pound = 2,250 75 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program
= pound 2475

simple maths of increase by capacity by 25 percent and reduce tickets by 25 percent to make this more atrative ie bums on seats,many times i have wanted refreshments at loftus road but the que stops you from the effort so this needs to improve plus poor facilities so i am with Dazzer on this,
also reading have a hotel and pub attached that bring in extra revenue !!!

To a degree, but remember that your policing and stewarding bill will also rise by a similar percentage and with the Met implementing full cost recovery this season, that ain't cheap!

[superhoop67]

100 people buy a seat at 20 pound = 2000 50 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program = ,2150 pound
150 people buy a seat at 15 pound = 2,250 75 buy 1 pound burger and 2 pound program
= pound 2475

simple maths of increase by capacity by 25 percent and reduce tickets by 25 percent to make this more atrative ie bums on seats,
many times i have wanted refreshments at loftus road but the que stops you from the effort so this needs to improve plus poor facilities so i am with Dazzer on this,
also reading have a hotel and pub attached that bring in extra revenue !!!

so this should recoup upwards of £100million to build this stadium,pubs are shutting 6 a day

[WeAreQPR12]

I was of the understanding that the ground was now the property of Sarita/Amulya Holdings and was leased back to the club. Have to admit, not 100% sure though - will need to look at the accounts but they're as clear as mud. In any case significant monies are still owed for refinancing packages as a result of the ABC loan.

Number of avenues being worked on by Spurs ref stadium developments. A number of very interesting meetings over the past couple of months.

Have they moped up the tears after losing out on the Olympic Stadium to a Championship side?

[Nodge70]

so this should recoup upwards of £100million to build this stadium,pubs are shutting 6 a day

Sunk costs - you will never recoup your entire financing in the short term. Has to be a long term view.

Depends on location. Reading's hotel, conferencing and bar facilities are a monumental gold mine. Or you can do what Chelsea did and tender the hotel to the highest bidder to name and run (Millenium Copthorne).

A hotel/stadium complex with an enabling development within a 5 min drive of say the M40/M25 junction would pay for itself very very quickly

[W12_Ranger]

What world do you live on?

Have a look on here at locations, I'd say 75% of QPR fans no longer live in the local area but instead commute to games.

I love W12, but the fact is, if we can't afford to stay there at the same time as growing as a club then we need to move on. And yes I would like to stay as close as possible to our current location but don't think it will be the worst thing in the world if we were to move slightly out of central London where there is a larger untapped fanbase. A new complex with an Academy, new training facilities and a new stadium along the A40 would be great. Would be a massive boost for the club. But as Nodge says, I guess some people are too scared of change....

I live in a world of QPR fans who would laugh at you so hard if you mentioned this you would think twice about bringing it up again.

I'm a realist, I understand the finances involved for relocation, the time it would take to construct a new stadium from feasibility to kicking the first match ball. I also recognise the importance of Shepherds Bush to the identity of the club.

The sort of costs involved in pursuing such a project are astronomical and it is laughable reading threads like this comparing us to the likes of Swansea. I'm pretty convinced we will playing at LR for the foreseeable future, so rather than moan about it, embrace it, its a fantastic stadium full off proper football fans.

[superhoop67]

Sunk costs - you will never recoup your entire financing in the short term. Has to be a long term view.

Depends on location. Reading's hotel, conferencing and bar facilities are a monumental gold mine. Or you can do what Chelsea did and tender the hotel to the highest bidder to name and run (Millenium Copthorne).

A hotel/stadium complex with an enabling development within a 5 min drive of say the M40/M25 junction would pay for itself very very quickly

how would you know

[Nodge70]

Have they moped up the tears after losing out on the Olympic Stadium to a Championship side?

Suggest you read deeper into the whole OPLC issue. Has a long way to run. Orient will go to Europe on possible illegal subsidies, no question. Paul Kelso's articles in the Telegraph are excellent, despite being subject to a level of supression from other influences. A very murky state of affairs. Leyton Orient should be the main beneficiaries. On face value, it seems Spurs were used by the OPLC and Boris to ensure West Ham committed to keeping the running track in perpetuity. Lots of good reading out there on the topic.

[Nodge70]

how would you know

Mixture of land ecomonics, geography and financial projections. Why?

[W12_Ranger]

Sunk costs - you will never recoup your entire financing in the short term. Has to be a long term view.

Depends on location. Reading's hotel, conferencing and bar facilities are a monumental gold mine. Or you can do what Chelsea did and tender the hotel to the highest bidder to name and run (Millenium Copthorne).

A hotel/stadium complex with an enabling development within a 5 min drive of say the M40/M25 junction would pay for itself very very quickly

****ing hell your having a laugh aren't ya....who the hell is going to turn up to a stadium within a 5 min drive of say the M40/M25 junction

Seriously you'll lose half your fanbase over night....oh wait we'll tap a new market instead....

[superhoop67]

Sunk costs - you will never recoup your entire financing in the short term. Has to be a long term view.

Depends on location. Reading's hotel, conferencing and bar facilities are a monumental gold mine. Or you can do what Chelsea did and tender the hotel to the highest bidder to name and run (Millenium Copthorne).

A hotel/stadium complex with an enabling development within a 5 min drive of say the M40/M25 junction would pay for itself very very quickly

you say it will never recoup short term ,it has to be long term ,then in the next sentence you say it will pay for itself very very quickly