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  • Mittal and Mordashov close to takeover?

    I don't know anything about a possible takeover, as I am not an ITK, but I find todays rumour of a takeover by Mittal and Mordashov (Russian steel billionaire) plausible.

    We know (if we believe various articles):

    1. Bernie and Flavio are keen to sell and have hired a financial advisor and set a price
    2. Mittal is very keen to buy and have tabled two bids so far, which are rejected
    3. There is some distance between the bid and the asking price, believed to be £35m

    In order to bridge this gap the buying and selling sides are doing as best as they can. It is plausible that:

    - Mittal is searching for a new co owner to share the investment with, and have identified Mordashov, another steel magnat and friend of Mittal, of whom he shares ownership interest in some steel companies. Mordashov is known to be very interested in sport.

    - As the buyers are expected to buy out the debt of Bernie and Flavio in addition to buying the 67% stake in the club, the size of the debt is therefore crucial, and any increase in debt might make a transaction harder (and any reduction will make it easier). The fact that B&F are therefore seemingly unwilling to come up with any major funds for new players, even if selling Taarabt, adds to this impression.

    It might be clutching a straw, but I find it quite likely that the rumours about an imminent takeover are true. I have been of this impression a long time (a takeover, not neccessary imminent), but have always expected it to take some time, as deals like this almost always do. The complete lack of investments in new players, the lack of a kit sponsor, no announcement of walk-up-prices and the fact that Warnocks seems pretty happy despite seemingly not having a penny to spend three weeks before the season starts add to the likeliness that something is cooking.

    However, the strogest evidence is the fact if there were no perspective for a takeover before the transfer window shuts, Bernie & Flavio would run a big risk by not investing in the squad, as it would most likely mean relegation, which is detrimental to their values and chances of getting a good price for the shares and the loans repaid. Bernie is bloody smart, even though some people here thinks the opposite, and if there were no perspective for a deal to be made before the transfer window shuts he wouldn't run such a risk.

    I am therefore pretty sure the talks are at an advance stage. The closer we get to the time when it becomes crucial to get new players on board (=mid August), the more willing the respective parties would be to compromise. My guts tell me that there will a deal within a few weeks! You might tell me I am naive, and it might be true, but it is my best assessment of the situation.

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    Where have you heard this rumour apart from this site?

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    • #3
      yawn...yet another rumour with no basis of fact.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by QPROslo View Post
        I don't know anything about a possible takeover, as I am not an ITK, but I find todays rumour of a takeover by Mittal and Mordashov (Russian steel billionaire) plausible.

        We know (if we believe various articles):

        1. Bernie and Flavio are keen to sell and have hired a financial advisor and set a price
        2. Mittal is very keen to buy and have tabled two bids so far, which are rejected
        3. There is some distance between the bid and the asking price, believed to be £35m

        In order to bridge this gap the buying and selling sides are doing as best as they can. It is plausible that:

        - Mittal is searching for a new co owner to share the investment with, and have identified Mordashov, another steel magnat and friend of Mittal, of whom he shares ownership interest in some steel companies. Mordashov is known to be very interested in sport.

        - As the buyers are expected to buy out the debt of Bernie and Flavio in addition to buying the 67% stake in the club, the size of the debt is therefore crucial, and any increase in debt might make a transaction harder (and any reduction will make it easier). The fact that B&F are therefore seemingly unwilling to come up with any major funds for new players, even if selling Taarabt, adds to this impression.

        It might be clutching a straw, but I find it quite likely that the rumours about an imminent takeover are true. I have been of this impression a long time (a takeover, not neccessary imminent), but have always expected it to take some time, as deals like this almost always do. The complete lack of investments in new players, the lack of a kit sponsor, no announcement of walk-up-prices and the fact that Warnocks seems pretty happy despite seemingly not having a penny to spend three weeks before the season starts add to the likeliness that something is cooking.

        However, the strogest evidence is the fact if there were no perspective for a takeover before the transfer window shuts, Bernie & Flavio would run a big risk by not investing in the squad, as it would most likely mean relegation, which is detrimental to their values and chances of getting a good price for the shares and the loans repaid. Bernie is bloody smart, even though some people here thinks the opposite, and if there were no perspective for a deal to be made before the transfer window shuts he wouldn't run such a risk.

        I am therefore pretty sure the talks are at an advance stage. The closer we get to the time when it becomes crucial to get new players on board (=mid August), the more willing the respective parties would be to compromise. My guts tell me that there will a deal within a few weeks! You might tell me I am naive, and it might be true, but it is my best assessment of the situation.
        Do you know what, despite there having been dozens of rumours and threads about possible takeovers, and all of them have come from illogical/irrational posts and pure hope and speculation, I read what you say in a different light.

        The manner of your thread, the way it has been put together and thought out is logical, reasoned, intelligent and most of all, believable.

        Lets us all hope and pray.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Morris View Post
          Where have you heard this rumour apart from this site?
          Hi Morris. I am not an ITK, I just analyze the rumours going around on various message boards (this included), and offer my perspective of it. It is my own assessment, and I might be way off the mark, but I think there are so many things going in the same direction that I feel it might be a good chance something is cooking.

          I don't want to create unfounded hopes. Let it be clear: I know nothing, I just bring my own thought on the rumours. They might be wrong, they might be right.

          Like all the rest of you I am hoping and praying that a deal will be concluded in time for Warnock to be handed a proper war chest.

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          • #6
            Where have you got the name Mordashov from? Guesswork?

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            • #7
              Not happy

              I am feeling negative today again but for the first time I became close in given up my S/T and even phoned the club to give it up but did not. I will give the players we got 100% backing but we need to get players in ASAP. The owners and their disengagement between them only are affecting us the fans as we will end feeling the pain. I wish they sort it out ASAP and then get the players we need or what end in happening is they will lose money when we go down.

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              • #8
                only thing keepin me optimistic is the fact that not all rumours can be fake/untrue!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EYR View Post
                  Where have you got the name Mordashov from? Guesswork?
                  One of the rumour posts referred to a Russian billionaire richer than Abramovich. A smart guy at the dot.org board called flatfoot googled rich Russians and came up with a few names:

                  Russians richer than Abramovich are:

                  Vladimir Lisin - $24 billion
                  Alexei Mordashov - $18.5 billion
                  Mikhail Prokhorov - $18 billion

                  It turned out that out of these three Mordashov fits in the bill, in the way that he is a steel magnat and co owns some companies with Mittal, and is already heavily investing in sport.

                  Once again I would like to point out I know nothing, I just try to analyze the rumours and the situation. I might be way off the mark.

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                  • #10
                    just hope its not gerrard ratner looking at us.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gtleighsr3 View Post
                      just hope its not gerrard ratner looking at us.
                      I don't think he's Russian.

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                      • #12
                        i dont think his bling was any good either.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gtleighsr3 View Post
                          i dont think his bling was any good either.
                          Neither did he. And he was crazy enough to say so.

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                          • #14
                            I would argue your point 2.. Mittal is keen to buy??

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by winalotto View Post
                              I would argue your point 2.. Mittal is keen to buy??
                              We know he has acquired 33% of the club in two steps, and if we should believe reports he has placed two bids of respectively £60m and £65m. I suppose this shows quite a bit of interest, doesn't it?

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