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[SheepRanger]

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[SeanInOz]

Good Post Insider

Good Post Insider, I must confess to three things thatI read on here that leave me scratching my head:

1) Bagging players (2 years ago Vine was being celebrated for his performances and gutsy attitude, he had a horrific injury and just hasnt got back to anywhere that he was - itsjust one of those things and I wish him all the best at Doncaster)

2) Bigging up football violence (some posts around the time of the Millwall game was just plenty embarrasing - supporting and joking about a person hit by a dart??????)

3) Expecting Owners to spend big money just for the sake of spending. Very happy with our two signings rather than paying $6m for CMS and Graham is great business. We are a small club getting gates of 18K max, we are in the Premiership!!!, don't think where we were in 2007.


I can't wait for the new season, we are building slowly and cautiously. Target is purely survival.

[bushkangaroo]

Don't think fans should ever abuse our players but booing Flav if he shows up..that's a very different story! We need him out asap.

[Yousef]

Agree that there should never be any abuse during the game. However, we have total feedom to moan If we see anything wrong at the club. In the end, it is personal opinion but more importanatly, we should respect each other.

[Stanley]

Anyone, and I do mean anyone who pays the extortionate fee for a ticket next season should be allowed to boo as much as they like as far as I'm concerned,

if people pay the ridiculous ticket prices, they have the right to boo as much they like.

while fans are being taken for every last penny, the least they should be allowed is to let the players and manager and board know exactly what they think of their performance.

So you seem to be saying its fine to abuse the players for the rise in ticket prices, something they have zero control over

Why not just use that energy to hurl abuse JUST at T&C at the games?

And even if players did have a say in ticket prices, no matter how much they earn its still a confidence game, so booing can ONLY have a detrimental effect on their game - a fact all booers will never have a logical answer for, no matter how much they whinge about it.

[DeepcutHoop]

So you seem to be saying its fine to abuse the players for the rise in ticket prices, something they have zero control over

Why not just use that energy to hurl abuse JUST at T&C at the games?

And even if players did have a say in ticket prices, how is booing them going to help them play better? A question booers will never have a logical answer for, no matter how much they whinge about it.

Some players over the years have very much deserved booing to be fair, usually due to a complete lack of effort, disrespect or stupidity

However this is not my point. It may not be productive, and the majority may not choose to boo (I'd argue at times it is a substantial proportion of the crowd that does).

But people are paying an awful lot of their hard-earned money, to watch players that are significantly richer (and the same goes for managers and board). If they feel that they are being short-changed they are allowed to communicate it as they see fit (and within the law obviously). From the stands our options are limited, so booing is one option.

Who the hell are you (or anyone) to tell them they should stop being QPR fans?

[Stanley]

Some players over the years have very much deserved booing to be fair, usually due to a complete lack of effort, disrespect or stupidity

However this is not my point. It may not be productive, and the majority may not choose to boo (I'd argue at times it is a substantial proportion of the crowd that does).

But people are paying an awful lot of their hard-earned money, to watch players that are significantly richer (and the same goes for managers and board). If they feel that they are being short-changed they are allowed to communicate it as they see fit (and within the law obviously). From the stands our options are limited, so booing is one option.

Who the hell are you (or anyone) to tell them they should stop being QPR fans?

I'm not telling them to stop. I agree with you that they have every right.

What I'm saying is that booing a player (regardless of what they earn) is only going to make him play even worse, ATAF.

If that is really what you hope to achieve, then you just carry right on. But dont expect fans who disagree with that to not keep criticising you for it.

[DeepcutHoop]

I'm not telling them to stop. I agree with you that they have every right.

What I'm saying is that booing a player (regardless of what they earn) is only going to make him play even worse, ATAF.

If that is really what you hope to achieve, then you just carry right on. But dont expect fans who disagree with that to not keep criticising you for it.

And I've never argued that it helps......

I apologise, you weren't the one saying that we don't need them as fans. rangersforevereastcote was the one being that arrogant.

[Stanley]

I've never argued that it helps

I think that is the crux of the issue mate.

Not only does it 'not help'. It actually makes players play worse, surely a thing no true fan would want, right?

That is the debate in a nutshell.

[rangerforevereastcote]

yes i was saying it . that wasnt an arrogant statement, if anything your stance is the arrogant one

let me ask you a question did you boo mahon in that game under sousa? did you boo and have a go at players towards end of last season when we were top and a pass went astray? are you going to boo the players next season the first time we misplace a pass or miss a chance?
did you boo cook on his return to lr in that friendly vs fulham just after hed donated his signing on fee to rangers? i tell you what and i said it on the night to some "fans" who did that they were a fkng disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves
do you think thats right?
i dont and neither do the majority , yes i get frustrated at games yes i get wound up when not doing well, yes i hold my head in my hands at times as but i try and channel all the frustration it into supporting the team,
but one thing i willl never do is boo the team

[rangerforevereastcote]

And I've never argued that it helps......

I apologise, you weren't the one saying that we don't need them as fans. rangersforevereastcote was the one being that arrogant.

so if youve never argued that it helps why defend it?

[Spencer]

We have what we have playing at the club.Not Hulse's fault or Hogans fault or Bradley Orrs fault they are not great players.

Hill Derry Routledge Adel all done well and as far as i can remember, didn't get much abuse last season.All brought in by Warnock...Who also brought in ORR and Clarke.

Now, when Orr came in, because ramage was pretty bad at RB....we all welcomed Orr with open arms.Then along comes Walker,better than Orr.Not Orrs fault..but then walker goes back and we are left with Orr.Who got plenty of abuse last season..

It's human nature.Some fans will accept it and some show their disapproval by booing.

Do i think its right? Maybe we should be venting our disapproval at other levels.

This season, due to lack of funds by the board, we will not have as strong a aide as we like.So..players like Hulse will have to play.When he plays badly, we forget we had no other option...and he will get abuse.But its not his fault...he wants to play and should be playing in the CCC.But because of our board...this is what we have.

So -do i think kits right? No.But i do feel i want to take my anger out on someone.....

[DeepcutHoop]

I think that is the crux of the issue mate.

Not only does it 'not help'. It actually makes players play worse, surely a thing no true fan would want, right?

That is the debate in a nutshell.

I don't think it has as much of an impact as you think (and would be very difficult to measure), in some cases may even give the players a much-needed kick up the ####. In most cases, yes it could be detrimental.

I won't be told that I shouldn't have booed Mark Hateley for example.

And booing at the end of the game, should not be discouraged if the team deserve it. Many, many performances in the not too distant future have deserved it.

[rangerforevereastcote]

I don't think it has as much of an impact as you think (and would be very difficult to measure), in some cases may even give the players a much-needed kick up the ####. In most cases, yes it could be detrimental.

I won't be told that I shouldn't have booed Mark Hateley for example.

And booing at the end of the game, should not be discouraged if the team deserve it. Many, many performances in the not too distant future have deserved it.

booing at end of game if deserved very different then during it,

[DeepcutHoop]

yes i was saying it . that wasnt an arrogant statement, if anything your stance is the arrogant one

let me ask you a question did you boo mahon in that game under sousa? did you boo and have a go at players towards end of last season when we were top and a pass went astray? are you going to boo the players next season the first time we misplace a pass or miss a chance?
did you boo cook on his return to lr in that friendly vs fulham just after hed donated his signing on fee to rangers? i tell you what and i said it on the night to some "fans" who did that they were a fkng disgrace and should be ashamed of themselves
do you think thats right?
i dont and neither do the majority , yes i get frustrated at games yes i get wound up when not doing well, yes i hold my head in my hands at times as but i try and channel all the frustration it into supporting the team,
but one thing i willl never do is boo the team

No to all of you examples above, but then I've not been able to afford to go much recently. (priced out way before this years rises).

I've said I'm not a boo-er for the most part, but I'm not going to tell someone else not to do it.