Negative posters are more passionate fans

[singingranger]

you can't really break it down like that, last season i was very much confident expected us to win the league i predicted it in May, flavio was out of day to day and had confidence warnock would get his team to the top (as long as we signed Adel) I was proved right, I'm the same person, but I fear for my club, i fear for warnock and I feel for the fans especially walk up prices.

I think Pete has gone to a new level which I didnt see last season of trying to spin things which i think is a great shame I also think it isn't doing himself or the club any good! just my opinion

[MattyRangers]

That's pony as well. A lot of negative fans are like it for the sake of moaning.

The most passionate fans are those who follow their team up and down the country, (money permitting) no matter what is happening. They are the ones who's weekend can be ruined by a poor result. They are the ones who get excited about an up and coming match.

Negative fans are just as painful to listen to as the happy clappy sort.

Touche Benny. Touche.

[RussRanger]

Generalising I know but it always seems to be that the most negative fans are ones that whatever reason do not go to games much anyway but moaning or sniping at the club somehow allows then to still have a loose involvement with the club

I would argue they are moaning because they wish they could afford to see their team in The Premiership after 15 years of waiting but have been scandalously priced out through no fault of their own and their loyalty has been crapped all over.

Not everyone has good wages and disposable income for various reasons and if some fans that do realised this isn't going to be a "big ole jolly up" for everyone the more sympathetic they would be.

Not having a go at you btw as you always come across as a fair poster. Just generalising.

[W4 R]

Negativity comes from fear, so negative posters on this board are very fearful of what is happening at the club. In some way that is a caring side, but to become totally negative now becomes a viscous mindset that can lead to depression and anger. Also this fear may stem from unresolved personal issues which is displaced onto something else, ie this message board. For the welllbeing of the person it is better and more healthier to practice positivity and have total acceptance of people, places and things. However total acceptance in my eyes is perfection and I doubt that is very realistic. So some of the negativity is also realism of the current situation, we all know that things and life can change by the hour. A lot of football fans are very fickle and only see in black or white, and cannot see a bigger picture or get stuck in a resentful state of mind.
I personally feel very despondent being a QPR supporter right now, but at the same time have rationalised that Ecclestone and Briatore are very careful with their money, Man City we are not! I would be very surprised not to see any new signings or loan deals by the start of the season. That is the part of me that is remaining positive and helps with my peace of mind. If there are no signings by the start, then that just tells me that the owners simply want to sell up at a price which they are not budging from. Even then I cannot know this because I am not them, only they and their closes aides can possibly know anything. Time will tell.

[IsleworthRanger]

I would argue they are moaning because they wish they could afford to see their team in The Premiership after 15 years of waiting but have been scandalously priced out through no fault of their own and their loyalty has been crapped all over.

Not everyone has good wages and disposable income for various reasons and if some fans that do realised this isn't going to be a "big ole jolly up" for everyone the more sympathetic they would be.

Not having a go at you btw as you always come across as a fair poster. Just generalising.

Sorry I did not make myself very clear but the point I was trying to make was that some fans who cannot make games and I exclude those who cannot for financial reasons appear to be very vocal in their negative comments

I have every sympathy for those who genuinely cannot afford to watch the team they love and that is why despite renewing my own season ticket I am continuing in wahtever way I can to help anyone or any group campaining to reduce them so as many of us QPR fans can get to watch the team

What I dont have sympathy for is fans who can afford to attend but choose not to for whatever reason and then start to preach to the rest of us that we should boycott the club

[haqpr1963]

Don't know if they are more passionate, but in many ways it is the British way to be negative and complain amongst ourselves whenever we have the chance (I think that MB's have made this much easier).

Spent some time in the Army. Just ask any squaddie about this and he will tell you :

"The only time you worry about soldiers are when they stop complaining."

Replace soldiers with fans and it pretty much sums it up......

[RussRanger]

What I dont have sympathy for is fans who can afford to attend but choose not to for whatever reason and then start to preach to the rest of us that we should boycott the club

[WeAreQPR12]

Sorry I did not make myself very clear but the point I was trying to make was that some fans who cannot make games and I exclude those who cannot for financial reasons appear to be very vocal in their negative comments

I have every sympathy for those who genuinely cannot afford to watch the team they love and that is why despite renewing my own season ticket I am continuing in wahtever way I can to help anyone or any group campaining to reduce them so as many of us QPR fans can get to watch the team

What I dont have sympathy for is fans who can afford to attend but choose not to for whatever reason and then start to preach to the rest of us that we should boycott the club

I do think discussions should of been made to stop those that have renewed. It would of put allot of pressure on the owners to rethink the pricing structure. Lets face it if the loyalty was dropped then they would be in real trouble. Most people that have no support for the R's would just go and watch Fulham or chelsea. We are a newly promoted team that is paying top 8 prices. It's wrong and I think allot more could of been done about it. No point imo saying I have bought my st but I am willing to back any group compaining, they r happy because you and many others that can afford it have given them what they want.

[TBLOCKRANGER]

Generalising I know but it always seems to be that the most negative fans are ones that whatever reason do not go to games much anyway but moaning or sniping at the club somehow allows then to still have a loose involvement with the club

Agree, what baffled me was the amount of fans who were furious about not getting Leeds ticket and were surprised at how the allocation of tickets made, some were even amazed at queues outside HQ.

Anyone with a half decent knowledge of the club, knows the ticketing system is shite for big days. Also they know the club will quickly sell out massive games and therefore the onus is on the fan to grab a ticket anyway possible.
Obvious next season, anyone who is a non s/t holder will have v slender chance of seeing teams such as man u or Liverpool but people will come on here moaning about that as if it's a massive surprise.

I say the above because generalising it's these fans IMHO who are the majority who moan about lack of signings, moving to a bigger stadium, not getting tickets. Some moaners are always just angry, if we did become a big
successful club, they would kick off like the boring block u meet in the pub who says he likes only early U2.

On the whole regular attendees know the club has always been one that is hard to follow and the club itself often is
responsible for this. When we were last in the top flight, we never bought big but to many this was a golden era in the clubs history, players were actually sold simply to keep sir les (ie to fund his wages).

Is it so bad now, we must all protest, IMHO the answer is no, it's not good but we've been in worst positions. We are premiership and I've got a feeling that the likes of t and c probably are to power hungry to see us getting whipped 6-0 every w/e, it's not going to be an easy season but it never is, but its not that strong a premiership especially the likely bottom half.

We were always going to get shafted on ticket prices, but it's appalled me that posters have called renewers mugs, for many will they turn back years of supporting a club for £200 increase? again probably not.

I accept it's not great times but a lot of clubs are in worse positions including all clubs outside the premiership. But as said it's always been hard to be a R and often the good memories are more based on nostalgia than reality, for many the old times were always better.

[Scarlet pimple]

The itk's were on their mothers tit to long, or not long enough...

[W4 R]

The itk's were on their mothers tit to long, or not long enough...

Now your trying to milk this!

[Scarlet pimple]

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[RussRanger]

Would also throw into the argument that the many genuine supporters who simply cannot afford to go don't need Pete saying "Well, its only £30+ quid a ticket if they buy a season ticket not 40+ for a walk up so buy one of them". That's not the real world.

Those who genuinely cannot afford it not only miss the match but the social gathering with their mates and other fans both pre-match and after the game. Without an outlet for their views on all things Rangers, where are they going to go and have a moan? Yep, messageboards. It's the only outlet they have open to them to communicate with other fans. So I find it rather silly when certain posters say "Well, they shouldn't be coming on here moaning." How else are they to vent their justifiable anger without the social means of the matchday get togethers that we all take for granted?

[haqpr1963]

Would also throw into the argument that the many genuine supporters who simply cannot afford to go don't need Pete saying "Well, its only £30+ quid a ticket if they buy a season ticket not 40+ for a walk up so buy one of them". That's not the real world.

Those who genuinely cannot afford it not only miss the match but the social gathering with their mates and other fans both pre-match and after the game. Without an outlet for their views on all things Rangers, where are they going to go and have a moan? Yep, messageboards. It's the only outlet they have open to them to communicate with other fans. So I find it rather silly when certain posters say "Well, they shouldn't be coming on here moaning." How else are they to vent their justifiable anger without the social means of the matchday get togethers that we all take for granted?

Top post......

[WeAreQPR12]

Would also throw into the argument that the many genuine supporters who simply cannot afford to go don't need Pete saying "Well, its only £30+ quid a ticket if they buy a season ticket not 40+ for a walk up so buy one of them". That's not the real world.

Those who genuinely cannot afford it not only miss the match but the social gathering with their mates and other fans both pre-match and after the game. Without an outlet for their views on all things Rangers, where are they going to go and have a moan? Yep, messageboards. It's the only outlet they have open to them to communicate with other fans. So I find it rather silly when certain posters say "Well, they shouldn't be coming on here moaning." How else are they to vent their justifiable anger without the social means of the matchday get togethers that we all take for granted?

Superb post russter.

Common sense comes out on top once again