Focusing On The Positives As Opposed To The Negatives

[singingranger]

The wasps ground share was during the period we made our record signing of Mike Sheron also purchased John Spencer, Gavin. Peacock etc.

Our average gates were not 9,10k in 2002 either!

We had allmost 14,000 first game of the season against stoke at home our first game in league 1.

We had over 10,000 in 2001 last game in the championship already in admin already already relegated.

Funny how you've ignored all of this.

We are all Qpr! The majority remember what the orange numpty did last tine round and are scared to death that he is sticking his nose in again.

It's not negative its been proud and wanting a sound future for your club.

When Warnock took over the club was in turmoil going nowhere and Boone would touch us, all down to Flavio!

[superhoop67]

cheers for your input.

I felt the same way about your masterpiece earlier.

Fans like you really do our club proud

so your history and looking back at 'happier times' go all the way back to 2001 could do with a few more lifelong fans like yourself

[RussRanger]

I think last night's late conversation went something like this:

PETE: Moan, moan, bloody moan. That's all the fans are doing at the moment. Always harping back to the good old days when we were crap and saying "Give us crap any day. Blah, blah, blah. Yada, yada, yada..."

GIANNI: Unbelievable. Christ, don't they remember the boardroom shambles we had back then? All the bucket collections etc? They should be grateful that I came here and bought Millionaires to the club. Look where we are now. Premiership. What more do they want?

PETE: You're right, Gianni. Let me open the curtains so we can all bask in the light of your reflected glory.

GIANNI: No need, Pete. A simple look at all the crap things that happened back then and a disguised nod in the direction of "Our Saviour" - sorry, I meant me - on the messageboard should do it and get them thinking "it's not so bad so I'll kindly shut up about it".

PETE: Good idea... Problem is, I'm having trouble remembering all the crap stuff that went on. It's as if only Furlong's goal and the Millennium Stadium visit are dominating my thoughts. My God, you don't think I'm becoming one of them supporters, do you?

GIANNI: No problem, Pete. Here's a list of all the things the previous board are responsible for. It will help with your post and brainwash the fans into thinking "Hey, we really were a shambles back then. What was I thinking wanting those crap times back? I've seen the light and his name is Gianni."

PETE: Cheers, Gianni. I'll get right onto it.

GIANNI: No worries, Pete. And I think you can get up off your knees now. You've kissed my feet enough... Unless you want me to turn around?

[singingranger]

I think last night's late conversation went something like this:

PETE: Moan, moan, bloody moan. That's all the fans are doing at the moment. Always harping back to the good old days when we were crap and saying "Give us crap any day. Blah, blah, blah. Yada, yada, yada..."

GIANNI: Unbelievable. Christ, don't they remember the boardroom shambles we had back then? All the bucket collections etc? They should be grateful that I came here and bought Millionaires to the club. Look where we are now. Premiership. What more do they want?

PETE: You're right, Gianni. Let me open the curtains so we can all bask in the light of your reflected glory.

GIANNI: No need, Pete. A simple look at all the crap things that happened back then and a disguised nod in the direction of "Our Saviour" - sorry, I meant me - on the messageboard should do it and get them thinking "it's not so bad so I'll kindly shut up about it".

PETE: Good idea... Problem is, I'm having trouble remembering all the crap stuff that went on. It's as if only Furlong's goal and the Millennium Stadium visit are dominating my thoughts. My God, you don't think I'm becoming one of them supporters, do you?

GIANNI: No problem, Pete. Here's a list of all the things the previous board are responsible for. It will help with your post and brainwash the fans into thinking "Hey, we really were a shambles back then. What was I thinking wanting those crap times back? I've seen the light and his name is Gianni."

PETE: Cheers, Gianni. I'll get right onto it.

GIANNI: No worries, Pete. And I think you can get up off your knees now. You've kissed my feet enough... Unless you want me to turn around?

lol and even then Pete got all the years wrong!!!

[MattyRangers]

I found myself today questioning why a so called supporter would maliciously post that Neil Warnock had walked and indeed why another poster would casually post for the sake of it, that Warnock will leave next week.

None of which is true, but guess in some way it distablises the support even further. I asked the question earlier, whether we are the most unhappiest set of fans at the moment, reading through many posts I think we are.

I've heard many fans say they want to get back to family traditions and would prefer to play at a lower league level because in some way we would be happier.

That cannot be further from the truth. All supporters follow QPR for one reason, its in our blood and we want the best for it both on and off the pitch.

Lets look back on these so called happier times

2001...Threats of Peter Winkleman wanting to take our club to Milton keynes
Losses of £570,000 per month over a sustained period
Club goes into Administration

2002..Les ferdinand donates £10,000 to help restore our former glories, because we don't have a pot to p.iss in
Our average crowds are 9-10,000
Due to lack of money Harold Winton donates much needed finances to subsardise buys S.hittu ( slightly earlier Dododu)
We finish 8th in LEAGUE 2 behind the likes of Brentford, Reading, Cardiff and Huddesfield
Take out a crippling 10 million from ABC, because yet again we have not a pot to p.iss in

2003 Club acknowledge they need someone with financial clout
LSA spokesman ackknowledges "if the club feels the best opion is to borrow more money, you can't help feeling we're digging a bigger hole for ourselves

2004

QPR Lose to Vauxhall Motors
QPR fans launch a massive initiative called "our QPR" with the aim of starving off QPR's immediate debt.
Clubs financial position so precarious that cut backs will be needed, unless we reach some kind of investment
QPR fundraise to fund Jamie Cureton.

Add to this we groundshared with Fulham and Wasps in that period, just to generate more income.

The point is that through all the hardships and we've had many more in the last 6 years, we always wanted to be back in the premiership. No longserving QPR fan who witnessed our demise in 1996 from the Premiership could have imagined we would have to wait another 15 years to return. Its been a rocky road, but since our time in the wilderness many indicate they want to re-visit those desperate times. Make no mistake football has changed enormously in the last 15 years, its now all about money and achieving greatness. In reality that greatness is only destined for 5 teams in the entire country.

It is not the game we grew up with, never will be again in our lifetime.

The world of internet has ensured that we look for the negative, very much like any newspaper we buy. You simply don't see the good news and often bad news is magnified out of all proportion.

Take QPR back in the Premiership, you won't see anyone posting its £28, £34 or £40 mainly to watch QPR per game next season in regards our season ticket prices, much better to focus on the most expensive which could be £70. The danger of that is before you know it you are reading thats the general price, when it is not. I had many texts today asking me is it "true Warnock has left" that was even after an official statement confirming the story was complete bull. It is human nature to focus on the negative, whilst completely dismissing the positive.

Next season, this team that did us so proud last season will realise what a big step up the premiership is, does all the squabbles off the pitch help those players?
In the end despite many supporters not affording season tickets, numbers now are pretty much as they were last season with more waiting in the wings, that despite early doors most saying they would not get one or that we were being completely ripped off.

We are questioning whether the club will buy any players and feel gutted that a player like Craig Mackail Smith has ended up at somewhere like Leicester, when in reality he is probably not good enough for the premiership. We are lucky in my view, really lucky. Okay,we have a board that treat the fans with distain, but in reality we pretty much replicate those feelings. We have so many splintered groups, more than many bigger clubs that I know. The negativity posted by many over the years has made us question whether its all worth it. Those very people have spent years trying to get us to where we are today, in a position of financial security and getting us beyond the depths of the League 2. Now we are there, still the same people are disillusioned and will often put in an odd post that makes the fanbase think. I;m not sure why for example someone would say Rowan Vine is on 40k a week, when we all know it not to be true. Does it put doubt in a few fans minds and make them ask what are we doing?

Whilst we can all squeeze into Loftus Road, it will never be a money maker for anyone who takes the helm. We have on record one of the lowest crowds to have ever graced the premiership and even being there is such a great achievement, yet we will find ways of creating problems before they even exist. The doom and gllom merchants will make you believe it was so much better before, well it never was. In some kind of way we all have our own egos to deal with and feel that we all know best, the reality is none of us have the displeasure of running a football club. It really is a no win situation.

For many fans next season will be the pinnacle of there support. The young kids that have followed there parents route of supporting this great club, now have the pleasure of seeing us playing the elite. Those kids were probably dismissive of reports on how we used to be the highest placed London club and the times we could go to Old Trafford and Anfield and win, now they might just experience what we were lucky to see.

In other words this season should be embraced despite the boards lack of appreciation of its fanbase. End of the day its not about them, we will be here long after they have gone, but it might just be a season to remember.

When/ if we go back to the dark times of needing fans to go on charity walks or bike rides, or need clubs to share our ground to make ends meet or even take out substantial loans because running this club is just not manageable, at least we can say we enjoyed at least one good season in the Premiership

Great post Pete! Puts things into perspective eh and hopefully the doom mongers will take a step back and realise that we really have come along way and that a few years back if somebody had offered us the position were in now, I know I for 1, would have bitten their arm off for it!

[MattyRangers]

what a ******!

[W12_Ranger]

so your history and looking back at 'happier times' go all the way back to 2001 could do with a few more lifelong fans like yourself

What are you talking about, he remembers Dave Thomas with socks rolled down.....and then there was the video from the Liverpool game he was caght on in the 90's

This thread is yet another example of how far Pete's 'support' of QPR really goes back! Then he has the ordacity to address lifelong fans with patronising comments like 'fans as like you really do our club proud'.......unbelievable!

[MattyRangers]

In the short time ive been on this forum it seems to me that alot of posters are unable to read other people opinions and accept that each is to their own.

Cant seem to comment on a thread without getting all punchy and tryna shoot people down that dont agree with what they think/say!

[W12_Ranger]

In the short time ive been on this forum it seems to me that alot of posters are unable to read other people opinions and accept that each is to their own.

Cant seem to comment on a thread without getting all punchy and tryna shoot people down that dont agree with what they think/say!

Exactly so you maybe don't understand the history of certain posters on here and the things they have said and done....so maybe in future you should wind your neck in a little!

[MattyRangers]

Exactly so you maybe don't understand the history of certain posters on here and the things they have said and done....so maybe in future you should wind your neck in a little!

Alllrriiiigghht chirpy, had a blue smartie this morning have ya? I'm only making an observation, not getting personal or threating any1 am i?!

[Jeffro]

Wasnt it Crouch who donated money?? Les ferdinand never gave us 10k.
Pete you got that wrong.

[Nodge70]

Starting at 2001 is a tad arbitary (we had history before then) and whitewashing the Ian Holloway play off & promotion sides (inc the average attendance of 16k in the third tier in 2003/4 - with no dip in our average on relegation) out of our history to suit the essay is noticeable. All positive points.

Overall, a good essay Pete - some good points. B-. Think older students may have had an input.

[qblockpete]

Singingranger wrote

We had allmost 14,000 first game of the season against stoke at home our first game in league 1.

It didn't lost long? and why exactly did we get 14,000 for one game that season? By next month is what around 9,000 V Port Vale.

I suggest it was a bit of solidarity because Ollie had a team of misfits and in the hour of need we were showing our support. Wasn't really great playing in League 2 though was it?

Russranger, if you think it was better back then you are deluded.

[stainrodisalegend]

I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. All but the most deluded fans would agree it was terrible being in League One. Doesn't mean we should all turn round and say everything is fine when our club is clearly being run like a circus.

[qblockpete]

Singingranger, don't worry guess we will be going back to bucket collections pretty soon.

Years wrong?

2001 WAsps shared QPR

2002-2004 Fulham

Don't worry about it, we were far happier than.

Getting mullared at home by clubs like Colchester and Cardiff and getting beat by Vauxhall Motors in the FA Cup to sell out grounds. (yeah right your having a larf)