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    I found myself today questioning why a so called supporter would maliciously post that Neil Warnock had walked and indeed why another poster would casually post for the sake of it, that Warnock will leave next week.

    None of which is true, but guess in some way it distablises the support even further. I asked the question earlier, whether we are the most unhappiest set of fans at the moment, reading through many posts I think we are.

    I've heard many fans say they want to get back to family traditions and would prefer to play at a lower league level because in some way we would be happier.

    That cannot be further from the truth. All supporters follow QPR for one reason, its in our blood and we want the best for it both on and off the pitch.

    Lets look back on these so called happier times

    2001...
    Threats of Peter Winkleman wanting to take our club to Milton keynes
    Losses of £570,000 per month over a sustained period
    Club goes into Administration

    2002..Les ferdinand donates £10,000 to help restore our former glories, because we don't have a pot to p.iss in
    Our average crowds are 9-10,000
    Due to lack of money Harold Winton donates much needed finances to subsardise buys S.hittu ( slightly earlier Dododu)
    We finish 8th in LEAGUE 2 behind the likes of Brentford, Reading, Cardiff and Huddesfield
    Take out a crippling 10 million from ABC, because yet again we have not a pot to p.iss in

    2003 Club acknowledge they need someone with financial clout
    LSA spokesman ackknowledges "if the club feels the best opion is to borrow more money, you can't help feeling we're digging a bigger hole for ourselves

    2004

    QPR Lose to Vauxhall Motors
    QPR fans launch a massive initiative called "our QPR" with the aim of starving off QPR's immediate debt.
    Clubs financial position so precarious that cut backs will be needed, unless we reach some kind of investment
    QPR fundraise to fund Jamie Cureton.

    Add to this we groundshared with Fulham and Wasps in that period, just to generate more income.

    The point is that through all the hardships and we've had many more in the last 6 years, we always wanted to be back in the premiership. No longserving QPR fan who witnessed our demise in 1996 from the Premiership could have imagined we would have to wait another 15 years to return. Its been a rocky road, but since our time in the wilderness many indicate they want to re-visit those desperate times. Make no mistake football has changed enormously in the last 15 years, its now all about money and achieving greatness. In reality that greatness is only destined for 5 teams in the entire country.

    It is not the game we grew up with, never will be again in our lifetime.

    The world of internet has ensured that we look for the negative, very much like any newspaper we buy. You simply don't see the good news and often bad news is magnified out of all proportion.

    Take QPR back in the Premiership, you won't see anyone posting its £28, £34 or £40 mainly to watch QPR per game next season in regards our season ticket prices, much better to focus on the most expensive which could be £70. The danger of that is before you know it you are reading thats the general price, when it is not. I had many texts today asking me is it "true Warnock has left" that was even after an official statement confirming the story was complete bull. It is human nature to focus on the negative, whilst completely dismissing the positive.

    Next season, this team that did us so proud last season will realise what a big step up the premiership is, does all the squabbles off the pitch help those players?
    In the end despite many supporters not affording season tickets, numbers now are pretty much as they were last season with more waiting in the wings, that despite early doors most saying they would not get one or that we were being completely ripped off.

    We are questioning whether the club will buy any players and feel gutted that a player like Craig Mackail Smith has ended up at somewhere like Leicester, when in reality he is probably not good enough for the premiership. We are lucky in my view, really lucky. Okay,we have a board that treat the fans with distain, but in reality we pretty much replicate those feelings. We have so many splintered groups, more than many bigger clubs that I know. The negativity posted by many over the years has made us question whether its all worth it. Those very people have spent years trying to get us to where we are today, in a position of financial security and getting us beyond the depths of the League 2. Now we are there, still the same people are disillusioned and will often put in an odd post that makes the fanbase think. I;m not sure why for example someone would say Rowan Vine is on 40k a week, when we all know it not to be true. Does it put doubt in a few fans minds and make them ask what are we doing?

    Whilst we can all squeeze into Loftus Road, it will never be a money maker for anyone who takes the helm. We have on record one of the lowest crowds to have ever graced the premiership and even being there is such a great achievement, yet we will find ways of creating problems before they even exist. The doom and gllom merchants will make you believe it was so much better before, well it never was. In some kind of way we all have our own egos to deal with and feel that we all know best, the reality is none of us have the displeasure of running a football club. It really is a no win situation.

    For many fans next season will be the pinnacle of there support. The young kids that have followed there parents route of supporting this great club, now have the pleasure of seeing us playing the elite. Those kids were probably dismissive of reports on how we used to be the highest placed London club and the times we could go to Old Trafford and Anfield and win, now they might just experience what we were lucky to see.

    In other words this season should be embraced despite the boards lack of appreciation of its fanbase. End of the day its not about them, we will be here long after they have gone, but it might just be a season to remember.

    When/ if we go back to the dark times of needing fans to go on charity walks or bike rides, or need clubs to share our ground to make ends meet or even take out substantial loans because running this club is just not manageable, at least we can say we enjoyed at least one good season in the Premiership
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  • #2
    Well said! Its an addiction and you all know that whatever happens, we'restill gonna be following the R's
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    • #3
      Good post. What ever goes on "We are QPR".

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      • #4
        Some very fair points/observations there. I think part of the problem is that message boards attract a disproportionate number of people with pessimistic and negative views that don't really represent what the majority of fans think (despite what those negative posters say about their mates, uncles, aunties and pet cats who also feel the same as them). The other thing that is distorting some people's views is the fact we have the UK's richest man part owning the club leading to an expectation of a huge cash injection for players might be just a few days away and the inevitable disappointment that follows when the money doesn't come.

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        • #5
          If someone posted information that he knew to be false that is sad.

          But do you have any observations about your insistence a few days ago that Warnock was "happy"?

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          • #6
            Well I can clarify he was and still is.

            he is really p.issed off and i'd expect him to say so pretty soon.

            I even had my doubts when I read stuff today, but it was totally fabricated.
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            • #7
              p issed off at what Pete? Support from board or all the negative stuff being written.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by qblockpete View Post
                I found myself today questioning why a so called supporter would maliciously post that Neil Warnock had walked and indeed why another poster would casually post for the sake of it, that Warnock will leave next week.

                None of which is true, but goes some way in distablising the support even further. I asked the question earlier, whether we are the most unhappiest set of fans at the moment, reading through many posts I think we are.

                I've heard many fans say they want to get back to family traditions and would prefer to play at a lower league level because in some way we would be happier.

                That cannot be further from the truth. All supporters follow QPR for one reason, its in our blood and we want the best for it both on and off the pitch.

                Lets look back on these so called happier times

                2001...
                Threats of Peter Winkleman wanting to take our club to Milton keynes
                Losses of £570,000 per month over a sustained period
                Club goes into Administration

                2002..Les ferdinand donates £10,000 to help restore our former glories, because we don't have a pot to p.iss in
                Our average crowds are 9-10,000
                Due to lack of money Harold Winton donates much needed finances to subsardise buys S.hittu ( slightly earlier Dododu)
                We finish 8th in LEAGUE 2 behind the likes of Brentford, Reading, Cardiff and Huddesfield
                Take out a crippling 10 million from ABC, because yet again we have not a pot to p.iss in

                2003 Club acknowledge they need someone with financial clout
                LSA spokesman ackknowledges "if the club feels the best opion is to borrow more money, you can't help feeling we're digging a bigger hole for ourselves

                2004

                QPR Lose to Vauxhall Motors
                QPR fans launch a massive initiative called "our QPR" with the aim of starving off QPR's immediate debt.
                Clubs financial position so precarious that cut backs will be needed, unless we reach some kind of investment
                QPR fundraise to fund Jamie Cureton.

                Add to this we groundshared with Fulham and Wasps in that period, just to generate more income.

                The point is that through all the hardships and we've had many more in the last 6 years, we always wanted to be back in the premiership. No longserving QPR fan who witnessed our demise in 1996 from the Premiership could have imagined we would have to wait another 15 years to return. Its been a rocky road, but since our time in the wilderness many indicate they want to re-visit those desperate times. Make no mistake football has changed enormously in the last 15 years, its now all about money and achieving greatness. In reality that greatness is only destined for 5 teams in the entire country.

                It is not the game we grew up with, never will be again in our lifetime.

                The world of internet has ensured that we look for the negative, very much like any newspaper we buy. You simply don't see the good news and often bad news is magnified out of all proportion.

                Take QPR back in the Premiership, you won't see anyone posting its £28, £34 or £40 mainly to watch QPR per game next season in regards our season ticket prices, much better to focus on the most expensive which could be £70. The danger of that is before you know it you are reading thats the general price, when it is not. I had many texts today asking me is it "true Warnock has left" that was even after an official statement confirming the story was complete bull. It is human nature to focus on the negative, whilst completely dismissing the positive.

                Next season, this team that did us so proud last season will realise what a big step up the premiership is, does all the squabbles off the pitch help those players?
                In the end despite many supporters not affording season tickets, numbers now are pretty much as they were last season with more waiting in the wings, that despite early doors most saying they would not get one or that we were being completely ripped off.

                We are questioning whether the club will buy any players and feel gutted that a player like Craig Mackail Smith has ended up at somewhere like Leicester, when in reality he is probably not good enough for the premiership. We are lucky in my view, really lucky. Okay,we have a board that treat the fans with distain, but in reality we pretty much replicate those feelings. We have so many splintered groups, more than many bigger clubs that I know. The negativity posted by many over the years has made us question whether its all worth it. Those very people have spent years trying to get us to where we are today, in a position of financial security and getting us beyond the depths of the League 2. Now we are there, still the same people are disillusioned and will often put in an odd post that makes the fanbase think. I;m not sure why for example someone would say Rowan Vine is on 40k a week, when we all know it not to be true. Does it put doubt in a few fans minds and make them ask what are we doing?

                Whilst we can all squeeze into Loftus Road, it will never be a money maker for anyone who takes the helm. We have on record one of the lowest crowds to have ever graced the premiership and even being there is such a great achievement, yet we will find ways of creating problems before they even exist. The doom and gllom merchants will make you believe it was so much better before, well it never was. In some kind of way we all have our own egos to deal with and feel that we all know best, the reality is none of us have the displeasure of running a football club. It really is a no win situation.

                For many fans next season will be the pinnacle of there support. The young kids that have followed there parents route of supporting this great club, now have the pleasure of seeing us playing the elite. Those kids were probably dismissive of reports on how we used to be the highest placed London club and the times we could go to Old Trafford and Anfield and win, now they might just experience what we were lucky to see.

                In other words this season should be embraced despite the boards lack of appreciation of its fanbase. End of the day its not about them, we will be here long after they have gone, but it might just be a season to remember.

                When/ if we go back to the dark times of needing fans to go on charity walks or bike rides, or need clubs to share our ground to make ends meet or even take out substantial loans because running this club is just not manageable, at least we can say we enjoyed at least one good season in the Premiership

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                • #9
                  cheers for your input.

                  I felt the same way about your masterpiece earlier.

                  Fans like you really do our club proud
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                  • #10
                    I think the biggest problem is the lack of communication. Yes, we've had our ups and downs, now is a new era. The owners are treating us like mushrooms (s hit on us and keeping us in the dark).

                    We've had the promotion in 4 years and the Euro footie spiel, now there is nothing.

                    it's the waiting
                    it's the waiting that gets to you!

                    My view.. T&C couldn't give a t oss about us, it's a business venture. It's your choice to bend over and take it. If you do you can't help it and it's not your fault.

                    It's wait and see if human qualities and care on the managerial and playing side can save us, so all is not lost, we have a great spirit. Ultimately, Pete, this period will just form part of the list above.

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                    • #11
                      Good post pete, as I said a few days ago these are the good times not the bad. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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                      • #12
                        Hmm. Strange to tell people to stop focusing on the negatives and then list a load of negatives from our past.

                        No mention of the feel-good factor under Holloway who made us feel that despite the off-field turmoil, we we all in this together and pulling the club in the right direction on a shoestring and a general sense of us all being a family. "Our Cave".

                        No mention of a great night at Loftus Road when Furlong scored against Oldham and a subsequent trip to the Millennium Stadium for a play-off final.

                        No mention of getting promoted the following season.

                        No mention of Damion Stewart's winner in the Carling Cup at Villa Park. No mention of the trip to Old Trafford.

                        No mention of the visits to Chelsea where we didn't disgrace ourselves.

                        I think these are the times the fans are referring to when they talk about our good recent past in the lower leagues and why they'd want those feelings back.

                        And yes, there are times when that seems better than what we have now. So I can't blame them.

                        But... All we are doing now is focusing on the negatives (as you just did, Pete) and I'm pretty sure in 10 years time after Bernie and Flavio have gone, we'll forget all the negatives of this time and focus on the positives of this time in The Premiership. (Even if it's just a last minute 1-0 win against Wigan). It's just the way of the world.

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                        • #13
                          My humble thoughts are:
                          Its bl00dy furstrating what with all the prices going up, board being useless uninterested whatnots, the lack of signings etc etc. I think most of it, as has been mentioned, is the waiting, we are all impatient and what news and action now and the constant rumours dont help.

                          I get frustrated when I think about all the sheize thats going on BUT its all to do with the waiting and what ifs!

                          You know what is just as annoying though, the constant moaning, sniping and stating the bleeding obvious all the time, in regard to negatives and i guess to positives like this thread, even this post by myself i guess is yet another one on the whole negative/positive theme. I just wish this wasnt taken so seriously, where has the fun and the banter gone?
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                          • #14
                            Yep, a good post Pete.

                            1 small correction, 2002 ave attendance was not 9-10k. It was 11,740 !
                            Admittedly, our lowest since 1981, but if we're dealing with facts.....

                            Good point by Russ about Holloway. He did bring good times on a shoestring.
                            Every season we finished higher than the last under him.
                            Although, at the time, I doubted he was good enough to take us or anyone to the next level.
                            He proved me wrong. Who of us wasn't cheering him and Blackpool on against Cardiff at Wembley, AND each week last season ? LEGEND.

                            I've been QPR, Then, Nnow and Always will be.
                            It IS expensive.
                            I'm lucky, I can just about afford a S/T. I doubt I could afford the walk up prices next season though, not 19 times anyway.
                            But what else would I do on a Saturday aftternoon (or Sunday, Lunchtime, or Monday Evening, etc.) ???
                            Go shopping with the Wife & Kids ? That would cost me more that £57 or £72 !

                            So what would make me happier in the 6 weeks ?

                            Warnock to stay. He's turned us round, from certain relegation fodder to Champions in 15 months and he deserves another crack at the Premiership.
                            No one will fight harder to keep us up IMO.

                            Adel to stay. I know he divides opinion, but he's our genuine matchwinner and entertainer, I want to see if he can hack it in the World's BEST divison.
                            (I want him to have the No. 10 shirt also, but let's not go there, keep it positive.....)

                            7 or 8 quality signings - NOT overpaid prima donnas, We should NOT be paying 40/50k for Bothroyd, Keane, J. Cole.
                            Players who would improve our squad and increase our chances of competing AND staying up.
                            Campbell, Upson, Naughton, Bullard, Clynne + 3 (LB + Winger + Striker)
                            in place of
                            Vine, Hall, Borrowdale, Clarke, Hulse, Pellicori, Alberti, Rowlands.

                            It's not important in the great scheme of things, but the chance to see and buy a new kit for my Son this side of Xmas.

                            Tango & Cash to sell up, but that's just a dream. It won't happen anytime soon, I just hope it doesn't take 10 years as someone mentioned above.
                            For those so good (allegedly) at bringing on board top sponsors......

                            I know, I had to end on a negative, Sorry !
                            Last edited by QPR1976; 01-07-2011, 03:35 AM.

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                            • #15
                              There are always going to idiots trying to destabilise the club,

                              2001 we were put into admin, 2001 wintons purchased shittu and dudu, 2002 we were out of admin, 2002 we lost to vauxhall motors - yet the same season we experienced one of the greatest nights ever atmosphere wise beating oldham (may 2003) we took over 31,000 fans to the millennium and the pride was back at Qpr.

                              The next season we went out of the fa cup away at grimsby yet experienced another amazing atmosphere getting promoted at Hillsborough!

                              2004/2005 we averaged over 16,000 and sold ten thousand season tickets
                              The fans were getting communication from
                              The board and saw a direction through tough times, holloway was allowed to pick his own team

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